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Posted Today, 04:43 AM by Bubba:
1. OK ... I have some ground to cover here and I hope I can give a thoughtful response. I have wondered a lot about the whereabouts of Alex. More often than not, I have 'felt' (For whatever it is worth) that he is still around. I dunno why. As there is no substantial proof yet if that woman let him fly away or worse. Maybe it is just wishful thinking, but something tells me he is around.
2. I wonder if your friend who is a cop could help you actively investigate starting with Ida. Maybe this has been done already. Since he is more mobile than you I was just thinking that maybe he could exert some influence on her. The issue is you are stuck in the house and can't do it yourself. I am not being pitying here just wondering who you know with influence could be pro-active on your part. I just don't think the little guy is gone. My stubbornness would need real proof.
3. If Ida is sticking to her story about giving Alex away then maybe you can go with that and try to think of somebody who can be REALLY persuasive and get her to cough up the story once and for all. Physical persuasion might be the answer. I really hope you can find someone to do this.
THEN YOU WILL KNOW.
4. Now for the panic-alone in the world feeling. Virtually every Sunday (although it happens on other days as well) I may be sitting in the room with my wife and Lily sitting 5 feet from me and I don't know what it is but I might as well be sitting on a mountain top all alone and I feel exactly the way you described. Vacant, nobody home.
5. Like if I call somebody I know they will be bugged at me for being needy. And once in a while I do and I will have a great conversation with that person but as soon as I hang up, I slip back into that feeling that it is all over and why bother because the good times are in the past and Everybody is having a great time somewhere else and I am not included.
6. Keep in mind I am not alone here. Remember my girls are right here and I sit here literally cold and clammy and want my mommy back and everybody else ... Wacked? Nuts? Certifiable? Functionally insane? All the above. I don't know what it is but I know it scares the S*IT out of me at least once a week. Weekends are the worst ... Pee break (Jeopardy thinking music: dum dee dum da da dum dee da ...) Ok I'm back ...
7. The Willy reaction is this: I don't think I get a panic attack but I do get this feeling when I am in full grieving missing him mode that maybe I won't really see him again and the awful space I get into as stated above will intensify and I get into an inner-yet out of control feeling of helplessness and like a bad dream it eats and eats at me till I just collapse and have to go asleep.
8. Then I wake up and it is still there but at some point, maybe that day or the next or the next or, depending on the degree it has reached, days and days later. It really is near impossible to work but I have to show up and teach the kids or play a gig and I think I just function on sheer grit and fake my way through it. It is not a pretty picture but I have become a good actor I guess as nobody has ever said anything to me that I am appearing different. Maybe they are just being polite. You know that famous painting called 'The Scream'? That says it all.
9. I will say though that out of nowhere for no defined reason usually when I have to go someplace and function (and feeling just fine at that moment) I get that aura of the panic attacks that were so severe last year (before Willy died by the way) and I get a mild visit from the sucker. It does not go into full attack anymore but it feels like it wants to and I just sit there (frequently while I am driving ... Nice eh?) until it passes. Kind of like there is a 900 lb lion sitting in the passenger seat waiting to devour me ... Roll that one around in your head for a second ... I sort of wait for it to pass. Last year it would not pass and I had to send a sub to teach for me and subs to play my gigs. I literally ... (whoa!!!! Lily just farted ... LillllLeeeee!!!!!!! oh man) ... could not speak, get off the couch or eat ...Those types are gone but the specter is still around ... haunting ... Ghosts, devils, creepy thoughts don't scare me ... Bring em on ... But panic attacks??????? Fahget about it ...
10. I think I will check my B.P. the next time I have a Willy attack. I wonder if it does go up?
11. Overbonding??????? NO WAY. When you sit back and reflect, would you really want it any other way. Alex and Willy are the relationships gave our lives purpose and now that we have known that bond (WE HAVE TO KEEP THE BRIDGE THOUGHT ALIVE IN US EVEN WHEN THERE IS NO HOPE. JUST PUT IT ON HOLD TILL THE NEXT CRISES PASSES AS WE KNOW IT WILL TILL THE NEXT ONE AND IT WILL PASS TOO. THIS IS ALL WE HAVE) that is our private relationship that we have to share with no one. We were theirs and they were ours. EXCLUSIVELY. No one can take that away. So banish the thought.
12. I hope this stream of thoughts have helped I wish I had more but nothing is coming forth. Always post back as we are friends in this virtual landscape and we should keep in touch.
Bubba ...
P.S. If you are up to it, any vibes on John W.? ... Only if you are up to it ...
1. OK ... I have some ground to cover here and I hope I can give a thoughtful response. I have wondered a lot about the whereabouts of Alex. More often than not, I have 'felt' (For whatever it is worth) that he is still around. I dunno why. As there is no substantial proof yet if that woman let him fly away or worse. Maybe it is just wishful thinking, but something tells me he is around.
2. I wonder if your friend who is a cop could help you actively investigate starting with Ida. Maybe this has been done already. Since he is more mobile than you I was just thinking that maybe he could exert some influence on her. The issue is you are stuck in the house and can't do it yourself. I am not being pitying here just wondering who you know with influence could be pro-active on your part. I just don't think the little guy is gone. My stubbornness would need real proof.
3. If Ida is sticking to her story about giving Alex away then maybe you can go with that and try to think of somebody who can be REALLY persuasive and get her to cough up the story once and for all. Physical persuasion might be the answer. I really hope you can find someone to do this.
THEN YOU WILL KNOW.
4. Now for the panic-alone in the world feeling. Virtually every Sunday (although it happens on other days as well) I may be sitting in the room with my wife and Lily sitting 5 feet from me and I don't know what it is but I might as well be sitting on a mountain top all alone and I feel exactly the way you described. Vacant, nobody home.
5. Like if I call somebody I know they will be bugged at me for being needy. And once in a while I do and I will have a great conversation with that person but as soon as I hang up, I slip back into that feeling that it is all over and why bother because the good times are in the past and Everybody is having a great time somewhere else and I am not included.
6. Keep in mind I am not alone here. Remember my girls are right here and I sit here literally cold and clammy and want my mommy back and everybody else ... Wacked? Nuts? Certifiable? Functionally insane? All the above. I don't know what it is but I know it scares the S*IT out of me at least once a week. Weekends are the worst ... Pee break (Jeopardy thinking music: dum dee dum da da dum dee da ...) Ok I'm back ...
7. The Willy reaction is this: I don't think I get a panic attack but I do get this feeling when I am in full grieving missing him mode that maybe I won't really see him again and the awful space I get into as stated above will intensify and I get into an inner-yet out of control feeling of helplessness and like a bad dream it eats and eats at me till I just collapse and have to go asleep.
8. Then I wake up and it is still there but at some point, maybe that day or the next or the next or, depending on the degree it has reached, days and days later. It really is near impossible to work but I have to show up and teach the kids or play a gig and I think I just function on sheer grit and fake my way through it. It is not a pretty picture but I have become a good actor I guess as nobody has ever said anything to me that I am appearing different. Maybe they are just being polite. You know that famous painting called 'The Scream'? That says it all.
9. I will say though that out of nowhere for no defined reason usually when I have to go someplace and function (and feeling just fine at that moment) I get that aura of the panic attacks that were so severe last year (before Willy died by the way) and I get a mild visit from the sucker. It does not go into full attack anymore but it feels like it wants to and I just sit there (frequently while I am driving ... Nice eh?) until it passes. Kind of like there is a 900 lb lion sitting in the passenger seat waiting to devour me ... Roll that one around in your head for a second ... I sort of wait for it to pass. Last year it would not pass and I had to send a sub to teach for me and subs to play my gigs. I literally ... (whoa!!!! Lily just farted ... LillllLeeeee!!!!!!! oh man) ... could not speak, get off the couch or eat ...Those types are gone but the specter is still around ... haunting ... Ghosts, devils, creepy thoughts don't scare me ... Bring em on ... But panic attacks??????? Fahget about it ...
10. I think I will check my B.P. the next time I have a Willy attack. I wonder if it does go up?
11. Overbonding??????? NO WAY. When you sit back and reflect, would you really want it any other way. Alex and Willy are the relationships gave our lives purpose and now that we have known that bond (WE HAVE TO KEEP THE BRIDGE THOUGHT ALIVE IN US EVEN WHEN THERE IS NO HOPE. JUST PUT IT ON HOLD TILL THE NEXT CRISES PASSES AS WE KNOW IT WILL TILL THE NEXT ONE AND IT WILL PASS TOO. THIS IS ALL WE HAVE) that is our private relationship that we have to share with no one. We were theirs and they were ours. EXCLUSIVELY. No one can take that away. So banish the thought.
12. I hope this stream of thoughts have helped I wish I had more but nothing is coming forth. Always post back as we are friends in this virtual landscape and we should keep in touch.
Bubba ...
P.S. If you are up to it, any vibes on John W.? ... Only if you are up to it ...
Me: 1. Bubba, I also get that feeling. On one occasion early on after Alex was gone, I clearly heard his voice say "Hello" out of nowhere when I wasn't even thinking about him. It was his greeting tone of voice and not his trying to get attention tone of voice saying, "Hello." Wait! I talk about it in the Cyber Shoulder forum where I began a thread titled: "Strange Occurrences From Angelcareone." Here's the direct link ...
Strange Occurrences From Angelcareone
There you can read about my prophetic dream which I had about 3 days before I ever even heard from Julia Galpin who I had not met yet, not spoken to yet ... About Nico Pavan who is the ring leader ... But the part about Ida is vague or absent.
The next post in that same thread is about the light fixture occurrence right over my head here at my PC which happened on the evening of 10/23/07.
The next post is about me hearing Alex saying, "Hello!"
Bubba, wherever Alex is, our bond is so strong that I truly feel he was trying to get some kind of message to me. Dead or alive ... He was trying to tell me something. You'll see it there in those posts. I pray he keeps trying. I'm paying attention.
Me: 2. Unfortunately, my online cop friend lives in Georgia. He's not close at all to where I live so can't do anything but I sure know he would if he were local. Dang Skippy! He has advised me regarding my brother Frank whose been missing for ... Gosh, I do believe it's been about 5 years now. Bubba, Frank is dead. No worries, I'm okay and always was okay with that since I did everything in my power to find him for years using police, private investigator, a volunteer with a dog who searches for live people and cadavers ... And so on. Long story, but I've always been okay about Frankie being dead but sure wish we could find a body and give him a proper burial. Anyway, I digress.
Carl can't help me but ...
Me: 3. Me thinks it's time for physical persuasion. I won't say anything more than that. Not here anyway. Thanks, Bubba!
Me: 4. Exactly!!!
Me: 5. Once again, exactly!!!
Me: 6. Also exactly!!! Errr ... Pee break for me, too. BRB ... Okay, I hummed the theme from Jeopardy and am back, too.
Me: 7. OMG! Yes!!! I will even do that sleep thing for practically 2 weeks. Only getting up to take care of Buddy dog, Styx kitty, go to the bathroom and maybe eat and drink a tiny bit until the approximate two weeks are done and I come back to try facing reality again. Ya know those times when I've not been here for about two weeks or so? That's why. Except for this last time when my computer went corrupt. That was different. But ...
Yes!!! I know just what you're talking about, Bubba. At least being in the situation I'm in allows me about 2 weeks of collapse into sleep whereas you can't afford to do that long of time. I may be way out in left field, but I'll bet you'd love it if you could take that one and a half or two week collapse into sleep the way I do at those times. Yes!!! I get you!!!
Me: 8. Bubba, the acting thing? I believe we both could win an Oscar for our stellar performances of "behaving" normally and/or even putting on those happy faces, voices and overall "ain't nothin' wrong" appearances. I kid you not. As for the silent scream, do you mean something like this ...
Click Here for Silent Scream
Some time ago, I made that image to go along with some articles I posted in the Pet Loss Support Resources and Articles area here at LS. See the caption I chose to make for it? See how I cropped off the two shadowed figures in the distance in order to make it show one person all alone? Compare to the original ...
Click Here for original "The Scream"
Bubba, these articles may really help you a whole lot from all you're saying. Here's the direct link ...
Your Fur Child Loss Devastation - You Are Not Going Insane
Take a look when you've got some time. You won't regret it! And ... Yes!!! Now you know that I feel you, understand and I'm the same way, too. Why else would I have chosen "The Scream" image on September 14, 2008 to go along with that article? Once again ... Exactly!!!
Me: 9. Again Yes!!! I explain in my thread how I could not speak, wouldn't answer the door, the phone, no one!!! Finally my best friend neighbor Ginger ... (Who was my first and best friend here with along her significant other Bill ... I met them 20 years ago and ... Bill died a few years back ... But Ginger moved just a couple or three months ago all to get away from that Monster Nico Pavan! Grrr! I miss her!!!) ...
Anyway, Ginger came down, pounded on my door, I opened it, she said I had to answer my phone! I have to call my brother Tony! She said more. I said nothing. With her still outside my door and me with the door open, she continued to give me very concerned heck, I still said nothing, held one hand on the door and the other on the door frame looking something like someone being crucified ... I just nodded yes and slowly went to the floor still with my left hand on the door and my right hand on the door frame. Ginger still giving me concerned heck, I nodded from the floor and closed the door on her ...
I dialed Tony's number and said, "I'm alive and okay. Don't call the police to check on me." That's all I could say. Tony was all animated saying how he was getting a huge commission from the sale of a building, going to get an attorney for me ... I said, "Tony ... (pause) ... Go away!" He said he wouldn't and kept talking. Again, I tried my best to say what I wanted to tell him and began with, "Tony ..." I could say nothing but, after a pause ... "Go away!" I had never told Tony to go away. I had never been unable to speak with Tony ...
After a few more, "Tony ... (Pause) ... Go away!" ... Then he hung up and called Ginger back. My brother Tony told Ginger, "My sister is dying! She is dying because of this!" Yes, he knew that I very well likely was in the process of dying from grief. Tony reminded Ginger of all the times I had told him in the past, "No worries, Tony. No matter how bad things get and no matter what may come, I'll be fine as long as I have Alex. But, when Alex dies then I will die, too." Ginger then told Tony how I had at least one time shared with her that, "I cannot live without Alex." That was before all this crap happened. Ginger reminded me about that after my call to Tony and him calling her. She's the one who told me what Tony said to her when he called her.
But! I fought my way back! I had to make sure that Alex receives earthly justice for what was done to him ... And to Buddy dog and Styx kitty, too! As for Heavenly Justice? Well, that ain't my call but I'm sure God will see to it. Yeppers.
A 900 pound lion? Well, I ain't afraid of them. I can handle it if it's just one large wild lion or one large wild cougar. But a large wild tiger? I don't know if I'd be able to fend off one of those. Hope I don't ever need to find out. Oy.
So it was like that 900 pound lion was in your car with you while you were driving, Bubba? Hey, I know what you need. There's a bunch more but here's a compilation of a few and if ya wanna see the military one and/or others let me know. Take a look at just what you need for those times! Click below ...
Trunk Monkey
Yeah, we could all use a Trunk Monkey. Heck, I might even take up driving again!

As far as ... "But the specter is still around ... haunting ... Ghosts, devils, creepy thoughts don't scare me ... Bring em on ..." Bubba, I have those, too. They don't scare me one dang bit either. I don't know about you, but I can sometimes even see them. Demon bats (as I affectionately call them) and all sorts of creepy crawly things covering all the walls, ceiling, furniture, everywhere but not on me and not on Buddy dog and not on Styx kitty. Am I scared when I see them? No way. Ya know what? I find them fascinating. Truly, I do!
Ain't nothing like that can scare us after all the hell we've seen, heard, experienced both personally and through others. I'm talking about real life experiences we've seen, heard, more, more, more ... After all that? Ain't no ghosts, demons, creepy thoughts, or even creepy crawling critters gonna even make us bat an eye lash so bring 'em on! You bet!
Me: 10. That would be a very good idea to check your BP at those times, Bubba. Let me know. Okay? You gotta keep tabs on this stuff especially since you do have hypertension and take medicine for that. So, please check it and let me know.
Me: 11. Ya mean something like this? Click below for video but I'll print the lyrics ...
"They Can't Take That Away From Me!"
"They Can't Take That Away From Me!"
The way you wear your hat.
The way you sip your tea.
The memory of all that
Oh no! They can't take that away from me!
The way your smile just beams.
The way you sing off key.
The way you haunt my dreams.
No No! They can't take that away from me!
We may never never meet again . . .
On the bumpy road to love.
But I'll always always keep
The memory of . . .
The way you hold your knife.
The way we danced till three.
The way you changed my life.
No No! They can't take that away from me!
No! They can't take that away from me!

Me: 12. It helped tons, Bubba! Thanks so much! As far as John W.? I ain't getting nothing but a tall, quiet man who is good. He may be quiet but don't mess around with him, his loved ones, fur or feather kids and so on or he will smack you so hard that you'll end up in next week! Or maybe even the next millennium. Bubba, I'm pretty sure that I'm only getting images of the actor John Wayne. I'm sorry. I'll keep trying. I will.
Thanks again millions, my friend! Big Hugs!!!



Your Pal,
Dottie xoxoxox
PS. I'll get back to you, Furkidlets' Mom. Thanks and Hugs!!!