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I am having a real hard time and I need some help. Goose is slowly slipping. He seems to be the focus of my thoughts all the time. I went to church today and all I could do was cry. I seem to be crying all the time. How can I be sure its time to put him to sleep? I am dealing with not wanting to tell my husband and cause him grief, and wanting the time of Goose's hardship to be over. The hardest thing is that he labors so when he breaths. When He get up he can't catch his breath and down he goes. A bit later he seems ok. Hes not getting around to much and spend most of his day sleeping. He still eats good and is going to the bathroom out side with my help. I have to clean him off from time to time as he falls while going. I feel guilty thinking about putting him down. Should I let him die or put him down. Sorry to ask you all but the only friend I have here is not a dog person. So they seem detached when I talk about it. I really wish I did not have to go through this.....
I'm so sorry this is happening to you and Goose, with all my heart I am praying his transition will be peaceful. That was my final prayer for my glorious Mack, almost exactly two years ago, in a very similar situation, and Thank God...he laid his sweet head on my shoulder and was gone.
When I learned, from a specialist, that the cancer Mack had, had spread to his lungs and was therefore inoperable, my husband and I decided...as long as we could keep him pain free,his breathing was easy, and he was able to eat...we would keep him at home and hope for that peaceful ending.
Give his precious head a big kiss from me. And please keep us posted.
Dayna
When I learned, from a specialist, that the cancer Mack had, had spread to his lungs and was therefore inoperable, my husband and I decided...as long as we could keep him pain free,his breathing was easy, and he was able to eat...we would keep him at home and hope for that peaceful ending.
Give his precious head a big kiss from me. And please keep us posted.
Dayna
QUOTE (Victoria @ Aug 24 2008, 02:38 PM) 
How can I be sure its time to put him to sleep? I feel guilty thinking about putting him down. Should I let him die or put him down. Sorry to ask you all but the only friend I have here is not a dog person. So they seem detached when I talk about it. I really wish I did not have to go through this.....
I felt the same way as you 2 weeks ago. I wish I knew what to tell you. I don't know what made me say yes to the vet really. I walked away that awful day thinking "Did I do it too soon?" "Was it what I was suppose to do?" "Did Omar want me to do that?" It's a very tough decission and I have doubted myself some since. I like to think I did the right thing for Omar, and others tell me I did. I think I wanted the vet to TELL me, you need to do this. But of course they can't, so I was back and forth second guessing as Omar's tail wagged that day. So good luck to you and goose. Whatever choice you make for him is not wrong.
Take care.
Marcie
I'm so sorry Victoria. My vet always said when there is no quality of life left...it is time....it is time.
I can't believe dying is without pain and I always chose the tranquilizer to sleep and then the final shot for peace and release from suffering. When there is no cure and no hope and it is their time...for all the love they give us..this is the least we can do for them.
I always talk to the vet about it and they can't say..do it..but they can say...no hope, no cure...could be in pain or suffering everyday. They try to give the conditions as they see it and then hope you look at the picture and make the decision.
It is hard when your husband doesn't want to be involved in the decision and you watch Goose every day and you see how he is trying to cope with a condition that can't get better...only worse. I did ask a couple of times if I didn't make the decision how would they die. One would have suffocated to death. One would have choked on his tongue and died that way. Picturing these helped me make the decision.
It is the one time we are asked to think of them..before our own wishes.. talking to your vet might help you decide what to do. Your decision is what Goose will live with..as long as he physically can. If there are drugs to keep him alive and more comfortable your vet will know.
Why do you feel guilty about putting him down? When their quality is gone and they are struggling...there can be no guilt involved. Do not allow any guilt to be in your mind. He cannot make the decision for himself. He needs your help.
Discuss everything with your vet but be aware he will not make the decision for you..he is not allowed to ethically.
With my Little Guy...the vet said afterwards she was SO thankful I made the decision. If he had been hers she would have made the same decision but she said she was not allowed to suggest it. She could only give me the pros and cons of keeping him alive...and could tell me how she thought he would die...what kind of suffering would that do? With no cure...mine had no "pros" to stop the decision.
And believe me..even though Little Guy was not a dog.....I had a number of beautiful, wonderful, best friend dogs in my lifetime and I had to make that decision by myself each time and I prevented a lot of future suffering and pain my babies did not need to go through...but only where there was absolutely no hope of a cure or any quality left. I think your crying is giving you your answer. You are the one who sees Goose everyday and you see his quality.
Call your vet...go see him....discuss everything about Goose's condition, his future, ask every question that gives you any hope.
Goose and you have my prayers. Please talk to your vet about helping Goose.
Hugs to both of you
I can't believe dying is without pain and I always chose the tranquilizer to sleep and then the final shot for peace and release from suffering. When there is no cure and no hope and it is their time...for all the love they give us..this is the least we can do for them.
I always talk to the vet about it and they can't say..do it..but they can say...no hope, no cure...could be in pain or suffering everyday. They try to give the conditions as they see it and then hope you look at the picture and make the decision.
It is hard when your husband doesn't want to be involved in the decision and you watch Goose every day and you see how he is trying to cope with a condition that can't get better...only worse. I did ask a couple of times if I didn't make the decision how would they die. One would have suffocated to death. One would have choked on his tongue and died that way. Picturing these helped me make the decision.
It is the one time we are asked to think of them..before our own wishes.. talking to your vet might help you decide what to do. Your decision is what Goose will live with..as long as he physically can. If there are drugs to keep him alive and more comfortable your vet will know.
Why do you feel guilty about putting him down? When their quality is gone and they are struggling...there can be no guilt involved. Do not allow any guilt to be in your mind. He cannot make the decision for himself. He needs your help.
Discuss everything with your vet but be aware he will not make the decision for you..he is not allowed to ethically.
With my Little Guy...the vet said afterwards she was SO thankful I made the decision. If he had been hers she would have made the same decision but she said she was not allowed to suggest it. She could only give me the pros and cons of keeping him alive...and could tell me how she thought he would die...what kind of suffering would that do? With no cure...mine had no "pros" to stop the decision.
And believe me..even though Little Guy was not a dog.....I had a number of beautiful, wonderful, best friend dogs in my lifetime and I had to make that decision by myself each time and I prevented a lot of future suffering and pain my babies did not need to go through...but only where there was absolutely no hope of a cure or any quality left. I think your crying is giving you your answer. You are the one who sees Goose everyday and you see his quality.
Call your vet...go see him....discuss everything about Goose's condition, his future, ask every question that gives you any hope.
Goose and you have my prayers. Please talk to your vet about helping Goose.
Hugs to both of you
Thank you Judy I look forward to you replys. I believe I have made the decision. I talked to my husband and he is in agreement. He knows, he just loves his dog so much and is dealing with the guilt of not being able to be here. And having his wife go through this with out him. He is my covering.
The vet is closed today so I made the appointment for tomorrow at 4:30 I do have a friend that will go with me but like I said they are not dog people and are there for moral support.
What made me make this decision was last night. It was bad! Goose struggled to breath from 6pm to about 12 am when I rubbed him to sleep. Lots of tears in my eyes and worry in his. I really have no need to ask the vet questions because I already know the answers. There is no medication that will help. if I let him die he will sufacate. The guilt I spoke of I think happens to us all as we go through the process of knowing we are taking our pet to be put to death. You can get so blind when it right in your face. Today is our last day together. It will be filled with hugs and kisses and rubs. I will have some peace knowing he does not have to do this any more. I feel numb and very sad. I will post again when I can bring myself to do it. Till then please pray for me and my husband and Goose and also for Dinky she will be the last dog and will for the first time in her life be an only dog. She will be fine. I have been preparing her by spending alot of only time with her. Taking her places and going for long walks with her. She will adjust fine. Goose will be much easier that J-dog was. Dinky and J were like peas and carrots. Anyway here I go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here a picture about 3 years ago with Goose and my husband John
The vet is closed today so I made the appointment for tomorrow at 4:30 I do have a friend that will go with me but like I said they are not dog people and are there for moral support.
What made me make this decision was last night. It was bad! Goose struggled to breath from 6pm to about 12 am when I rubbed him to sleep. Lots of tears in my eyes and worry in his. I really have no need to ask the vet questions because I already know the answers. There is no medication that will help. if I let him die he will sufacate. The guilt I spoke of I think happens to us all as we go through the process of knowing we are taking our pet to be put to death. You can get so blind when it right in your face. Today is our last day together. It will be filled with hugs and kisses and rubs. I will have some peace knowing he does not have to do this any more. I feel numb and very sad. I will post again when I can bring myself to do it. Till then please pray for me and my husband and Goose and also for Dinky she will be the last dog and will for the first time in her life be an only dog. She will be fine. I have been preparing her by spending alot of only time with her. Taking her places and going for long walks with her. She will adjust fine. Goose will be much easier that J-dog was. Dinky and J were like peas and carrots. Anyway here I go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here a picture about 3 years ago with Goose and my husband John
Victoria
I love that picture of your husband and Goose. Goose is truly a beautiful boy. I understand you don't have questions of your vet. That is really when I know that is the last thing I do before a decision..because if there is anything hopeful I haven't thought of..I know the vet would....even though by that time I know it is time.
All of this is bad enough emotionally but then we will have the pain of separation...even when we are doing it for them and giving them peace so they don't have to struggle to be with us. And as you know, that pain is the truly sharp, sharp, hurting one that we can't avoid. I am glad you have Dinky to hug...it will help.
I started here to tell you about my decisions in a couple of cases but reread it and thought...you don't need to read anymore sadness.. I thought it might make you feel not so alone to read about why I made some of my decisions in the past and I, too, was alone in watching what was happening. I'm glad your husband agrees with you.
If you ever think about what you are doing....I would remember what you talked about happened last night for 6 hours..
it is never easy to do...we are about to separate them from us...but it can help to remember that when they were with us...what their life was like because they had a problem no one could solve.
Maybe it will help you a little if I tell you how I am when an appointment is made. I dread it but I won't change it and I know that. But I remind myself every minute I need to...that as long as my baby is with me...I can change my mind.
Going there and waiting and even close to when they are ready...I can always turn around and take him home but for his sake..I know I won't... What helps me is telling myself...I am in control of the choice..until it is time. Something about that comforts me. I guess tonight I would be telling myself...I don't have to go tomorrow.. but I know I will go. I think realizing you still have some control may bring some comfort while going through this. It just helps me to feel that until the time comes....it is not a FINAL decision...I can change my mind (knowing I won't). Hope this doesn't sound confusing but keeping my feeling of being in control gives me some comfort to get through everything.
I understand what you mean about feeling bad knowing the type of decision it is. That's why when I too think those thoughts....I force myself to think...I am giving him peace...I am stopping the suffering. Since those are the real reasons for making the decision...it helps to remember that. To put an animal down for no reason....that's the person who should feel guilt.
When my Little Guy's twin had a problem, I had a mobile vet come to my home and still we were wondering if we should do it and she suggested a tranquilizer first and then we had until she knew he would be waking up...to hold him and change our mind or not. Just that little time meant a lot. My husband held him peacefully sleeping and we cried..until she said we only had a few more minutes to decide. Within a week he had a large cancer mass fill his chest and his breathing was getting bad even though he was hiding it from us. I would ask about a tranquilizer first so I could cry without my baby seeing it and getting upset.
You and Goose have my thoughts and prayers today, tonight, tomorrow, and always. (a kiss for Dinky too!).
I am so sorry, Victoria. I wish I could go with you. I understand the person helping you is not a dog person and is there for moral support. I would hug you and cry with you. I am crying now typing this knowing what you are going through and what you will be going through.
Yes, love him and kiss him tonight and tell him what a good dog he is and maybe your husband can talk to him on the phone and he will hear his voice also.
You said a very powerful sentence here: I will have some peace knowing he does not have to do this any more.
That's cause you are doing everything out of love.
Hugs (1 for you, your husband, Dinky, and especially...Goose).
Judy
I love that picture of your husband and Goose. Goose is truly a beautiful boy. I understand you don't have questions of your vet. That is really when I know that is the last thing I do before a decision..because if there is anything hopeful I haven't thought of..I know the vet would....even though by that time I know it is time.
All of this is bad enough emotionally but then we will have the pain of separation...even when we are doing it for them and giving them peace so they don't have to struggle to be with us. And as you know, that pain is the truly sharp, sharp, hurting one that we can't avoid. I am glad you have Dinky to hug...it will help.
I started here to tell you about my decisions in a couple of cases but reread it and thought...you don't need to read anymore sadness.. I thought it might make you feel not so alone to read about why I made some of my decisions in the past and I, too, was alone in watching what was happening. I'm glad your husband agrees with you.
If you ever think about what you are doing....I would remember what you talked about happened last night for 6 hours..
it is never easy to do...we are about to separate them from us...but it can help to remember that when they were with us...what their life was like because they had a problem no one could solve.
Maybe it will help you a little if I tell you how I am when an appointment is made. I dread it but I won't change it and I know that. But I remind myself every minute I need to...that as long as my baby is with me...I can change my mind.
Going there and waiting and even close to when they are ready...I can always turn around and take him home but for his sake..I know I won't... What helps me is telling myself...I am in control of the choice..until it is time. Something about that comforts me. I guess tonight I would be telling myself...I don't have to go tomorrow.. but I know I will go. I think realizing you still have some control may bring some comfort while going through this. It just helps me to feel that until the time comes....it is not a FINAL decision...I can change my mind (knowing I won't). Hope this doesn't sound confusing but keeping my feeling of being in control gives me some comfort to get through everything.
I understand what you mean about feeling bad knowing the type of decision it is. That's why when I too think those thoughts....I force myself to think...I am giving him peace...I am stopping the suffering. Since those are the real reasons for making the decision...it helps to remember that. To put an animal down for no reason....that's the person who should feel guilt.
When my Little Guy's twin had a problem, I had a mobile vet come to my home and still we were wondering if we should do it and she suggested a tranquilizer first and then we had until she knew he would be waking up...to hold him and change our mind or not. Just that little time meant a lot. My husband held him peacefully sleeping and we cried..until she said we only had a few more minutes to decide. Within a week he had a large cancer mass fill his chest and his breathing was getting bad even though he was hiding it from us. I would ask about a tranquilizer first so I could cry without my baby seeing it and getting upset.
You and Goose have my thoughts and prayers today, tonight, tomorrow, and always. (a kiss for Dinky too!).
I am so sorry, Victoria. I wish I could go with you. I understand the person helping you is not a dog person and is there for moral support. I would hug you and cry with you. I am crying now typing this knowing what you are going through and what you will be going through.
Yes, love him and kiss him tonight and tell him what a good dog he is and maybe your husband can talk to him on the phone and he will hear his voice also.
You said a very powerful sentence here: I will have some peace knowing he does not have to do this any more.
That's cause you are doing everything out of love.
Hugs
(1 for you, your husband, Dinky, and especially...Goose).Judy
QUOTE (LoveThem @ Aug 25 2008, 01:48 PM)
Victoria
I love that picture of your husband and Goose. Goose is truly a beautiful boy. I understand you don't have questions of your vet. That is really when I know that is the last thing I do before a decision..because if there is anything hopeful I haven't thought of..I know the vet would....even though by that time I know it is time.
All of this is bad enough emotionally but then we will have the pain of separation...even when we are doing it for them and giving them peace so they don't have to struggle to be with us. And as you know, that pain is the truly sharp, sharp, hurting one that we can't avoid. I am glad you have Dinky to hug...it will help.
I started here to tell you about my decisions in a couple of cases but reread it and thought...you don't need to read anymore sadness.. I thought it might make you feel not so alone to read about why I made some of my decisions in the past and I, too, was alone in watching what was happening. I'm glad your husband agrees with you.
If you ever think about what you are doing....I would remember what you talked about happened last night for 6 hours..
it is never easy to do...we are about to separate them from us...but it can help to remember that when they were with us...what their life was like because they had a problem no one could solve.
Maybe it will help you a little if I tell you how I am when an appointment is made. I dread it but I won't change it and I know that. But I remind myself every minute I need to...that as long as my baby is with me...I can change my mind.
Going there and waiting and even close to when they are ready...I can always turn around and take him home but for his sake..I know I won't... What helps me is telling myself...I am in control of the choice..until it is time. Something about that comforts me. I guess tonight I would be telling myself...I don't have to go tomorrow.. but I know I will go. I think realizing you still have some control may bring some comfort while going through this. It just helps me to feel that until the time comes....it is not a FINAL decision...I can change my mind (knowing I won't). Hope this doesn't sound confusing but keeping my feeling of being in control gives me some comfort to get through everything.
I understand what you mean about feeling bad knowing the type of decision it is. That's why when I too think those thoughts....I force myself to think...I am giving him peace...I am stopping the suffering. Since those are the real reasons for making the decision...it helps to remember that. To put an animal down for no reason....that's the person who should feel guilt.
When my Little Guy's twin had a problem, I had a mobile vet come to my home and still we were wondering if we should do it and she suggested a tranquilizer first and then we had until she knew he would be waking up...to hold him and change our mind or not. Just that little time meant a lot. My husband held him peacefully sleeping and we cried..until she said we only had a few more minutes to decide. Within a week he had a large cancer mass fill his chest and his breathing was getting bad even though he was hiding it from us. I would ask about a tranquilizer first so I could cry without my baby seeing it and getting upset.
You and Goose have my thoughts and prayers today, tonight, tomorrow, and always. (a kiss for Dinky too!).
I am so sorry, Victoria. I wish I could go with you. I understand the person helping you is not a dog person and is there for moral support. I would hug you and cry with you. I am crying now typing this knowing what you are going through and what you will be going through.
Yes, love him and kiss him tonight and tell him what a good dog he is and maybe your husband can talk to him on the phone and he will hear his voice also.
You said a very powerful sentence here: I will have some peace knowing he does not have to do this any more.
That's cause you are doing everything out of love.
Hugs (1 for you, your husband, Dinky, and especially...Goose).
Judy
I love that picture of your husband and Goose. Goose is truly a beautiful boy. I understand you don't have questions of your vet. That is really when I know that is the last thing I do before a decision..because if there is anything hopeful I haven't thought of..I know the vet would....even though by that time I know it is time.
All of this is bad enough emotionally but then we will have the pain of separation...even when we are doing it for them and giving them peace so they don't have to struggle to be with us. And as you know, that pain is the truly sharp, sharp, hurting one that we can't avoid. I am glad you have Dinky to hug...it will help.
I started here to tell you about my decisions in a couple of cases but reread it and thought...you don't need to read anymore sadness.. I thought it might make you feel not so alone to read about why I made some of my decisions in the past and I, too, was alone in watching what was happening. I'm glad your husband agrees with you.
If you ever think about what you are doing....I would remember what you talked about happened last night for 6 hours..
it is never easy to do...we are about to separate them from us...but it can help to remember that when they were with us...what their life was like because they had a problem no one could solve.
Maybe it will help you a little if I tell you how I am when an appointment is made. I dread it but I won't change it and I know that. But I remind myself every minute I need to...that as long as my baby is with me...I can change my mind.
Going there and waiting and even close to when they are ready...I can always turn around and take him home but for his sake..I know I won't... What helps me is telling myself...I am in control of the choice..until it is time. Something about that comforts me. I guess tonight I would be telling myself...I don't have to go tomorrow.. but I know I will go. I think realizing you still have some control may bring some comfort while going through this. It just helps me to feel that until the time comes....it is not a FINAL decision...I can change my mind (knowing I won't). Hope this doesn't sound confusing but keeping my feeling of being in control gives me some comfort to get through everything.
I understand what you mean about feeling bad knowing the type of decision it is. That's why when I too think those thoughts....I force myself to think...I am giving him peace...I am stopping the suffering. Since those are the real reasons for making the decision...it helps to remember that. To put an animal down for no reason....that's the person who should feel guilt.
When my Little Guy's twin had a problem, I had a mobile vet come to my home and still we were wondering if we should do it and she suggested a tranquilizer first and then we had until she knew he would be waking up...to hold him and change our mind or not. Just that little time meant a lot. My husband held him peacefully sleeping and we cried..until she said we only had a few more minutes to decide. Within a week he had a large cancer mass fill his chest and his breathing was getting bad even though he was hiding it from us. I would ask about a tranquilizer first so I could cry without my baby seeing it and getting upset.
You and Goose have my thoughts and prayers today, tonight, tomorrow, and always. (a kiss for Dinky too!).
I am so sorry, Victoria. I wish I could go with you. I understand the person helping you is not a dog person and is there for moral support. I would hug you and cry with you. I am crying now typing this knowing what you are going through and what you will be going through.
Yes, love him and kiss him tonight and tell him what a good dog he is and maybe your husband can talk to him on the phone and he will hear his voice also.
You said a very powerful sentence here: I will have some peace knowing he does not have to do this any more.
That's cause you are doing everything out of love.
Hugs
(1 for you, your husband, Dinky, and especially...Goose).Judy
Nicely put Judy. As I sit here crying like a baby at my desk...remembering all too well 3 weeks ago. I'm so sorry Victoria you have to go through this. If I was in AZ I would go with you too. I was alone. The night before, when I made the appt for 6PM, my husband went with me, but I chickened out. I left with Omar...to return the next morning...alone. My husband said he couldn't have been in the room anyways, and I was not having it any other way but to be with Omar. I wanted to give Omar a nice steak the night before, but he couldn't eat it. I wanted to sleep with him, but his breathing was so bad, I couldn't sleep and I was exhausted from being up with him the night before. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family...and your fur family too as you go through this. Just remember, we are here for you.
Hugs,
Marcie
QUOTE (Victoria @ Aug 25 2008, 12:58 PM)
The guilt I spoke of I think happens to us all as we go through the process of knowing we are taking our pet to be put to death. You can get so blind when it right in your face. Today is our last day together. It will be filled with hugs and kisses and rubs. I will have some peace knowing he does not have to do this any more. I feel numb and very sad.
Awwwww Victoria...........My heart goes out to you and your family.
I knew you would find the answer within yourself when the sad time came for you to make the heartbreaking decision to end Goose's suffering. You, your hubby, and Goose have had such a difficult time over the last several months. Rather than looking at tomorrow as being the day you take Goose to his death, you could turn it so that tomorrow is the day you lead him to freedom and peace. Because you love Goose so much you are willing to take on his pain so he can pass away quietly and with some integrity. Only a person who knows how to truly love can put another's needs before their own. May God bless you and be with you and Goose tomorrow. J-Dog awaits Goose's arrival and will greet him. Then they can play together for all eternity in peace and love. Both of their loving spirits remain with you now and always.
My thoughts and prayers are with you. Please give Goose an extra belly rub and kiss from me.
Much love with hugs of comfort,
Beth
You are all in my thoughts and prayers! A hard decision...but the only one love could allow you to make.
God go with you,
Dayna
God go with you,
Dayna
Well Goose is gone. 
This is very hard. I feel like I'm dead. My head is pounding from crying all day. I'm still crying. My trio is now down to one all within a year. I had help burying him but the rest I did alone. My house is so empty. The rainbow bridge experence went very well and Goose died very peacefully. Not even a moan. I don't know what to say or feel. I'm lost right now. empty. Dinky jumped into the car with Goose's body and gave him a kiss on the nose. She layed by on a blanket while I buryed Goose. She has not left my side. I can't even think right now. I just want to scream and stomp my feet but I know that would do no good. I feel like I'm in quick sand and I'm sinking.
This is very hard. I feel like I'm dead. My head is pounding from crying all day. I'm still crying. My trio is now down to one all within a year. I had help burying him but the rest I did alone. My house is so empty. The rainbow bridge experence went very well and Goose died very peacefully. Not even a moan. I don't know what to say or feel. I'm lost right now. empty. Dinky jumped into the car with Goose's body and gave him a kiss on the nose. She layed by on a blanket while I buryed Goose. She has not left my side. I can't even think right now. I just want to scream and stomp my feet but I know that would do no good. I feel like I'm in quick sand and I'm sinking.
You are a very caring person to have been able to make the decision. (i'm sure it wasn't easy) You gave the gift of freedom. To go on to a place where there are no ailing bodies, no pain, no worries.
That is a great picture by the way.
We all know and feel your pain and emptyness and we all heal together one day at a time.
More posts from you soon I hope.
Many Hugs to You and your Angel Goose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is a great picture by the way.
We all know and feel your pain and emptyness and we all heal together one day at a time.
More posts from you soon I hope.
Many Hugs to You and your Angel Goose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QUOTE (sissycat @ Aug 26 2008, 11:56 PM)
You are a very caring person to have been able to make the decision. (i'm sure it wasn't easy) You gave the gift of freedom. To go on to a place where there are no ailing bodies, no pain, no worries.
That is a great picture by the way.
We all know and feel your pain and emptyness and we all heal together one day at a time.
More posts from you soon I hope.
Many Hugs to You and your Angel Goose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is a great picture by the way.
We all know and feel your pain and emptyness and we all heal together one day at a time.
More posts from you soon I hope.
Many Hugs to You and your Angel Goose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My sincerest sympathy for your loss. If our furbabies that have past have big hearts like their owners on this site(which I know they do), then your precious Goose is amongst the best of companions. I could add so much about that whole decision thing but I won't. I feel the same as you. What a great picture!.. Hugs .. Ann
QUOTE (Victoria @ Aug 26 2008, 10:42 PM)
Well Goose is gone. This is very hard. I feel like I'm dead. My head is pounding from crying all day. I'm still crying. My trio is now down to one all within a year. I had help burying him but the rest I did alone. My house is so empty. The rainbow bridge experence went very well and Goose died very peacefully. Not even a moan. I don't know what to say or feel. I'm lost right now. empty. Dinky jumped into the car with Goose's body and gave him a kiss on the nose. She layed by on a blanket while I buryed Goose. She has not left my side. I can't even think right now. I just want to scream and stomp my feet but I know that would do no good. I feel like I'm in quick sand and I'm sinking.
This is very hard. I feel like I'm dead. My head is pounding from crying all day. I'm still crying. My trio is now down to one all within a year. I had help burying him but the rest I did alone. My house is so empty. The rainbow bridge experence went very well and Goose died very peacefully. Not even a moan. I don't know what to say or feel. I'm lost right now. empty. Dinky jumped into the car with Goose's body and gave him a kiss on the nose. She layed by on a blanket while I buryed Goose. She has not left my side. I can't even think right now. I just want to scream and stomp my feet but I know that would do no good. I feel like I'm in quick sand and I'm sinking.I'm so very sorry Victoria. It's a tough thing to do. Today is 3 weeks for me..9:50AM to be exact. It does get easier day by day. Just love on your Dinky. She will need you now too. Write here as often as you need. We are all here for you, even when you think there is nobody.
Take care.
Marcie
Dear Victoria,
Your courage and strength in doing what had to be done is absolutely amazing to me. You leave no doubt as to just how much you loved Goose. Though, I am saddened that Goose has passed on, I am also happy that he passed quietly. I'm sure J-Dog greeted Goose with a big ol' kiss on the nose much the same as Dinky kissed Goose's nose.
May you hold all the beautiful and happy memories you made with Goose & J-Dog closest to your heart always. I wish you comfort in knowing these two very special gifts of love are together and alive in your loving heart. Your heart is bound to each of theirs forever. The magnifiecent journey you took with Goose throughout his life as well as J-Dogs will continue in the next world. When that time comes for you to meet up with them again it will be for all eternity.
May God bless you Victoria now and forever. I wish you peace and healing as you begin yet another journey through grief.
Hugs of love and comfort from my heart to yours,
Beth
Oh Victoria I know your pain so weel that it hurts still in my Heart, I am so sorry for the loss of Goose, I too lost my Beloved Buster to cancer in his nose and like Goose was not able to breath and had to make the final decision to say goodbye 'cause it was killing me to see him not able to breath and suffer so much, again am so sorry and I like to tell you it is ok to scream and cry out oud if you have too I did and still do, please come back and tell us how things are going with you, your Sweet Dinky and Husband, always here to listen too Jorge The pix of Goose, Husband and I think Dinky it's beautiful! Click to view attachment
The pix of Goose, Husband and I think Dinky it's beautiful! Click to view attachment
Well I am begining to be able to think. My husband and I are going to have to rearrange our whole life. We are in transition any way with the move. And having this happen in the middle of it feels like sinking sand. We are in the stage of regrouping. We did not relize how much time we spent on our dear pets Jay and Goose. Caring for them this last year was all consumeing. Even our kids felt alittle left out. But they will understand when there dogs get older. I do feel like I have so much freedom. Still filled with much sadness. But we both know it truely was time. We kept our dogs for every bit of the good life they had. For both not a day early or a day late. We can rejoice in that! Here is a picture of Jay and Goose playing about 3 years before now.
Jay always thought he was as big as Goose and Goose always though he was Jays size. I think I will be able to start a thread soon to let you all know how wonderful my best dogs were!!!!!
I am so thankful that I found this place. It has helped me with my pure emotions. I know my dogs are better off now that they are not struggleing. I begin my journey through my grief. I don't want to spend to much time with sadness at this time because I want to spend good time with Dinky. My husband and I agreed to go through our time with these three dogs completely. With no new animals till all are gone. I know that getting another dog would help but Dinky needs her alone time with us now. She needs no competition. Jay had almost 2 years as an only dog. He loved it. Now its time for Dinky to have her alone time. More post to come.... Again thanks to all of you. You have been so dear to me you do not know how much!!!!! There are not word to express!
Jay always thought he was as big as Goose and Goose always though he was Jays size. I think I will be able to start a thread soon to let you all know how wonderful my best dogs were!!!!!
I am so thankful that I found this place. It has helped me with my pure emotions. I know my dogs are better off now that they are not struggleing. I begin my journey through my grief. I don't want to spend to much time with sadness at this time because I want to spend good time with Dinky. My husband and I agreed to go through our time with these three dogs completely. With no new animals till all are gone. I know that getting another dog would help but Dinky needs her alone time with us now. She needs no competition. Jay had almost 2 years as an only dog. He loved it. Now its time for Dinky to have her alone time. More post to come.... Again thanks to all of you. You have been so dear to me you do not know how much!!!!! There are not word to express!
Glad to hear from you Victoria. You have been in my thoughts all week. I love the picture of Goose and Jay. So cute to see them play and so healthy. Enjoy your time now with Dinky. As we all know how precious our time is with our furbabies. Post pictures and good memories here all you like. I love to hear and see them.
Take care.
Marcie
Take care.
Marcie
Hugs, Victoria. I wrote you I would be back soon to post to you.
You are in my thoughts every day.
Judy
You are in my thoughts every day.
Judy
Thank you Judy I look forward to it. My prayer are with you.
Hi, Victoria
I have been reading your posts here since I was really here last. And some of your comments I thought were definitely worth reading back to you...they may help with the feeling of being lost.
We kept our dogs for every bit of the good life they had. For both not a day early or a day late. We can rejoice in that!
You were the best Mom ever. Not only did you keep them having quality in their lives....you went beyond that...with Goose I remember you trying to keep him hydrated.... That is special treatment only a best Mom could do and those babies knew it and knew your love for them WAS something special.
I love that picture of Goose and J-dog. A very happy healthy time. Those times are the blessings we get for having them. Your story of Dinky kissing Goose on the nose and laying on the blanket nearby in the sad time is so precious..so sweet and loving. You do have a special girl there.
Jay always thought he was as big as Goose and Goose always though he was Jays size. I think I will be able to start a thread soon to let you all know how wonderful my best dogs were!!!!!
I am so thankful that I found this place. It has helped me with my pure emotions. I know my dogs are better off now that they are not struggling. I begin my journey through my grief. I don't want to spend to much time with sadness at this time because I want to spend good time with Dinky.
I think a new thread in Tributes to Goose and to J-Dog would be wonderful. With pictures and stories. There is a project that can help. I know my Tributes helped me.
Remember your thought that they do not have to struggle anymore. That is something only you could give them....that peace. That is one thing these precious souls cannot do for themselves.
I think your idea of extra time alone with Dinky is good for all of you, including hubby.
It truly is the worst of times when we say goodbye to what we knew here but knowing they are at peace is of some comfort. The crying, the missing...that just is part of it all and then there is my favorite Mom's remark from this forum:
The pain of losing them will never ever be greater than the joy of knowing them.
Amen to that.
Come here and post as you feel. Write down your thoughts and feelings. You are not alone here. We are always listening. We know because your pain is the same as our own. Your joy at any story is the same we feel joy. It is like we are all one person because the same feelings run though all of us and so we understand each other like few can.
Hugs to you and your hubby, and a kiss and Hug for Dinky.
And...a very special kiss on the nose for Goose and J-Dog for being such a wonderful part of your life. I am so glad you found them to be part of your home and heart.
Judy
I have been reading your posts here since I was really here last. And some of your comments I thought were definitely worth reading back to you...they may help with the feeling of being lost.
We kept our dogs for every bit of the good life they had. For both not a day early or a day late. We can rejoice in that!
You were the best Mom ever. Not only did you keep them having quality in their lives....you went beyond that...with Goose I remember you trying to keep him hydrated.... That is special treatment only a best Mom could do and those babies knew it and knew your love for them WAS something special.
I love that picture of Goose and J-dog. A very happy healthy time. Those times are the blessings we get for having them. Your story of Dinky kissing Goose on the nose and laying on the blanket nearby in the sad time is so precious..so sweet and loving. You do have a special girl there.
Jay always thought he was as big as Goose and Goose always though he was Jays size. I think I will be able to start a thread soon to let you all know how wonderful my best dogs were!!!!!
I am so thankful that I found this place. It has helped me with my pure emotions. I know my dogs are better off now that they are not struggling. I begin my journey through my grief. I don't want to spend to much time with sadness at this time because I want to spend good time with Dinky.
I think a new thread in Tributes to Goose and to J-Dog would be wonderful. With pictures and stories. There is a project that can help. I know my Tributes helped me.
Remember your thought that they do not have to struggle anymore. That is something only you could give them....that peace. That is one thing these precious souls cannot do for themselves.
I think your idea of extra time alone with Dinky is good for all of you, including hubby.
It truly is the worst of times when we say goodbye to what we knew here but knowing they are at peace is of some comfort. The crying, the missing...that just is part of it all and then there is my favorite Mom's remark from this forum:
The pain of losing them will never ever be greater than the joy of knowing them.
Amen to that.
Come here and post as you feel. Write down your thoughts and feelings. You are not alone here. We are always listening. We know because your pain is the same as our own. Your joy at any story is the same we feel joy. It is like we are all one person because the same feelings run though all of us and so we understand each other like few can.
Hugs to you and your hubby, and a kiss and Hug for Dinky.
And...a very special kiss on the nose for Goose and J-Dog for being such a wonderful part of your life. I am so glad you found them to be part of your home and heart.
Judy
Judy
Your replys always strike home and fill my eyes with tears. Not always sad one but good ones. This time through my grief is very different than with Jay. I think because he was the first to go and the closes to my heart. I did not relize I had spent so much time with sick dogs I think I forgot the enjoyment I have now with Dinky as a well dog. My mind now goes to playing outside instead of dreading the impending death of my loved ones. Dinky is adjusting to being the only dog very well. And I guess if she can do it so can I!!!!. What a joy now fill my soul as I have no more worrys about vet visits and dreaded news. I loved my guys so much and miss them more than words can say but I did the very best I knew how to care for and love them. They were very blessed dogs.
As I go for long walks with Dinky and see the different dogs around and I know how wonderfully my dogs were cared for. We even bought a travel tralier so they could go with us where ever we went. Vacations were never good unless we had the crew. I always made sure they were comfortable, fed, warm or cool enough. And above all I made sure they were happy.
Now I have let go of them for now and will begin to enjoy the great memorys they have left. I am so glad they crossed my path of life!!!!!!!!! I shall now give to Dinky all of my Dog time. We play ball every day and go for long walks and swims down by the river. I will enjoy her. Some day, but not to soon I will let go of her too. But I don't have to live there any time to soon.
I want to thank everyone here because I know you all have the same feelings as I do regarding your sweet pets. I feel so much at home here and can share anytime. The people in my real world does not for the most part want to relive any of the hurt or pain and just wants to move on. And sometime I am just not ready to move on. When thats the case I can find safety here. thanks.
Your replys always strike home and fill my eyes with tears. Not always sad one but good ones. This time through my grief is very different than with Jay. I think because he was the first to go and the closes to my heart. I did not relize I had spent so much time with sick dogs I think I forgot the enjoyment I have now with Dinky as a well dog. My mind now goes to playing outside instead of dreading the impending death of my loved ones. Dinky is adjusting to being the only dog very well. And I guess if she can do it so can I!!!!. What a joy now fill my soul as I have no more worrys about vet visits and dreaded news. I loved my guys so much and miss them more than words can say but I did the very best I knew how to care for and love them. They were very blessed dogs.
As I go for long walks with Dinky and see the different dogs around and I know how wonderfully my dogs were cared for. We even bought a travel tralier so they could go with us where ever we went. Vacations were never good unless we had the crew. I always made sure they were comfortable, fed, warm or cool enough. And above all I made sure they were happy.
Now I have let go of them for now and will begin to enjoy the great memorys they have left. I am so glad they crossed my path of life!!!!!!!!! I shall now give to Dinky all of my Dog time. We play ball every day and go for long walks and swims down by the river. I will enjoy her. Some day, but not to soon I will let go of her too. But I don't have to live there any time to soon.
I want to thank everyone here because I know you all have the same feelings as I do regarding your sweet pets. I feel so much at home here and can share anytime. The people in my real world does not for the most part want to relive any of the hurt or pain and just wants to move on. And sometime I am just not ready to move on. When thats the case I can find safety here. thanks.
I just have to say my life is just so different. Dinky has been my true blessing. Everytime I start to cry she goes and gets a ball as if to say I know you miss them so do I but here I am lets play you will feel better. And I do she is such a great dog and loves to play. But I still miss the boys. Its just so hard to believe they are gone. They were the best dogs ever!!!!!
Dinky sounds so very sweet. I'm glad you two are helping each other. Yes, come here anytime you want to talk. We will always miss our special ones we lost...that's just a part of knowing them.
I know J-dog and Goose, being in the best of health, are nearby....watching over you and Dinky too.
I love it when you said she brings you a ball when you start to cry...that's what these babies do...create a distraction (unless, of course, she really thinks you lost that ball
).
It all sounds peaceful...that's good. When we accept we did the best we could for our best buddies, there is a peace that comes with that thought. We will always miss them but we are at peace with the knowledge they are not suffering and what they were suffering from could not be cured. That is when we know their time has come to leave. We don't want them to and they don't want to go but when that time comes...the choice is not ours or theirs.
But the time we had with them and those oh so precious memories and pictures of play without pain, and being together with them without suffering...we are grateful to have those times.
Hugs to you and Dinky and your hubby. Having a furbaby to still be part of our lives is always a wonderful thing. I could see when she brings you that ball, you probably can't help but smile a little through the tears...smiling at her...trying to help you. What a sweetheart!
Take care and visit anytime.
Judy
I know J-dog and Goose, being in the best of health, are nearby....watching over you and Dinky too.
I love it when you said she brings you a ball when you start to cry...that's what these babies do...create a distraction (unless, of course, she really thinks you lost that ball
).It all sounds peaceful...that's good. When we accept we did the best we could for our best buddies, there is a peace that comes with that thought. We will always miss them but we are at peace with the knowledge they are not suffering and what they were suffering from could not be cured. That is when we know their time has come to leave. We don't want them to and they don't want to go but when that time comes...the choice is not ours or theirs.
But the time we had with them and those oh so precious memories and pictures of play without pain, and being together with them without suffering...we are grateful to have those times.
Hugs to you and Dinky and your hubby. Having a furbaby to still be part of our lives is always a wonderful thing. I could see when she brings you that ball, you probably can't help but smile a little through the tears...smiling at her...trying to help you. What a sweetheart!
Take care and visit anytime.
Judy
Thanks Judy
I'll post again soon. Blessings to you because you have been a blessing to me!!!!!
I'll post again soon. Blessings to you because you have been a blessing to me!!!!!
Sounds like Dinky is trying to take care of you.
Sorry to hear of your "boys".
Hugs to You!!!!
Sorry to hear of your "boys".
Hugs to You!!!!
I'm really missing my dogs today. I come here sometimes to visit my memories and my emotions. I just went out to visit Goose's grave. The house seems so empty!! I miss you Jay dog you were my best friend!!!!!!!!!!!! I miss you too Goose!!!!!! Sorry I just had to cry out. I'm crying all over my counter as I write this.
It is ALWAYS okay to cry......our grieving has no rules, no time limits.
It is not unusual here to type through tears...not unusual at all.
Here's a tight cyber-hug, Victoria...for you
We all share the same pain and we have it everyday...it's just that some days..it does not overwhelm us...and other days..well, it just does.
But it is all normal. It is all okay. What makes us feel any relief or feel better is the thing to do.
Judy
It is not unusual here to type through tears...not unusual at all.
Here's a tight cyber-hug, Victoria...for you
We all share the same pain and we have it everyday...it's just that some days..it does not overwhelm us...and other days..well, it just does.
But it is all normal. It is all okay. What makes us feel any relief or feel better is the thing to do.
Judy
I have not visited here in a while. But as the one year mark is drawing near I can think about nothing else. I so can't believe it almost been a year with out my Jay dog. I really didn't think I could live without him. But I can. I still miss him so and find my self talking to others about the funnyest storys about him. He still is very much apart of my life. Goose too is missed so much. My husband and I always say how much we miss the boys. Dinky is doing very well and loves being an only dog. She is quite funny too. She runs my life 
. But I like it that way I just let her think she is running my life... Really! 
I just once again need to thank all of you for your help through a very dark time in my life. There is life after a loss like this even after two losses. I will never have dogs like Jay and Goose. I will have other dogs but they will always be on top. I'll be back I'm sure on the day but till then thank you.
Victoria
. But I like it that way I just let her think she is running my life... Really! I just once again need to thank all of you for your help through a very dark time in my life. There is life after a loss like this even after two losses. I will never have dogs like Jay and Goose. I will have other dogs but they will always be on top. I'll be back I'm sure on the day but till then thank you.
Victoria
Anytime, Victoria........come back anytime.
You may not realize it but coming back and showing you are going on really gives hope to many who just arrive and see no end to daily pain and tears.
So keep in touch and I am glad to hear about Dinky. We need more smiles like that in our lives.
Hugs,
Judy
You may not realize it but coming back and showing you are going on really gives hope to many who just arrive and see no end to daily pain and tears.
So keep in touch and I am glad to hear about Dinky. We need more smiles like that in our lives.
Hugs,
Judy
Ok here I go again... I took Dinky to the Vet today because she look like she might have a pee problem. Well I was not prepared for what happened. She took some pee out of her and when she did it was almost clear. Not a good sign. I have been here before with Jay. The vet said she thought it was Diabetes Insipidus. That was what Jay had. She is so healthy just got her blood work done last month and it was purfect. Why this? It is suppost to be rare. So how can I get to dogs that get it. The labs will be back later this week. I am fear struck!!! I can't do this again. Dinky has not drank any water today either. I feel so sick inside. I need this little dog!!! I really don't know what to do. Just when I was begining to live life well again. And on the edge of Jays 1 year aniversary death. And Goose too. Help
Victoria,
Praying for good test results. From your experience here you know there are so many of us hoping and praying for you and Dinky!!!!!!!!!!
PLease keep us informed on any news you have.
Hope, hugs, and prayers to the both of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Praying for good test results. From your experience here you know there are so many of us hoping and praying for you and Dinky!!!!!!!!!!
PLease keep us informed on any news you have.
Hope, hugs, and prayers to the both of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, Victoria
I hope those lab test come back quickly. If she was tested just a month ago...maybe it is just a minor bladder infection antibiotics would knock out. When my Little Girl and my Little Guy had a pee problem..it was crystals and got flushed out right away. Their problem was they could not pee.
Is she eating okay? I believe the wet food means they do not need a lot of water. So maybe if you didn't see her get some water for a day, it could be okay.
Is she acting normal? Is there still what seems to be a peeing problem?
It really could be something that can be taken care of quickly...I hope so. Be sure and write down any questions you have about anything you are noticing...like drinking water, etc.
So when you have a talk with your vet....ask everything you can think of. The vet did send her home with you so he must not feel it is an emergency..take comfort from that. Today is Friday and I do hope the results are back so you can discuss your concerns with your vet.
I know my questions are always like...What should I look for that means I should bring her right in? What do I call about that I noticed to see if it is something to keep track of.
Going back to what I said earlier...the fact that he did not keep her is a good sign. Keep that in mind and let us know what the tests said and what is happening.
Hugs and kisses to Dinky!
A special BIG HUG to you!
Judy
I hope those lab test come back quickly. If she was tested just a month ago...maybe it is just a minor bladder infection antibiotics would knock out. When my Little Girl and my Little Guy had a pee problem..it was crystals and got flushed out right away. Their problem was they could not pee.
Is she eating okay? I believe the wet food means they do not need a lot of water. So maybe if you didn't see her get some water for a day, it could be okay.
Is she acting normal? Is there still what seems to be a peeing problem?
It really could be something that can be taken care of quickly...I hope so. Be sure and write down any questions you have about anything you are noticing...like drinking water, etc.
So when you have a talk with your vet....ask everything you can think of. The vet did send her home with you so he must not feel it is an emergency..take comfort from that. Today is Friday and I do hope the results are back so you can discuss your concerns with your vet.
I know my questions are always like...What should I look for that means I should bring her right in? What do I call about that I noticed to see if it is something to keep track of.
Going back to what I said earlier...the fact that he did not keep her is a good sign. Keep that in mind and let us know what the tests said and what is happening.
Hugs and kisses to Dinky!
A special BIG HUG to you!
Judy
All tests are back and it look like she is ok. The vet could not fine anything. This is so wierd. I know when my dog does not feel good 
But I will look at this in the positive. She seems ok now we are giving her a round of antibiotics just to be sure. 
She is my last of the three and I want to make sure she is fine. I quess if I spend $900+ dollars and they fine nothing this is good
I know that I am not the only one to worry and it cost me lots of $$$.
But I will look at this in the positive. She seems ok now we are giving her a round of antibiotics just to be sure. She is my last of the three and I want to make sure she is fine. I quess if I spend $900+ dollars and they fine nothing this is good I know that I am not the only one to worry and it cost me lots of $$$.
Glad to hear the tests were okay. Hope the antibiotics knock it out.
I know what you mean about spending money and finding nothing wrong is good.
Yes, indeed. I always think of it as the "process of elimination". Many things that can show up
do not...and that is a good thing.
I know you will want to keep an eye on her until you feel she feels okay again.
Keep us updated please.
Hugs,
Judy
I know what you mean about spending money and finding nothing wrong is good.
Yes, indeed. I always think of it as the "process of elimination". Many things that can show up
do not...and that is a good thing.
I know you will want to keep an eye on her until you feel she feels okay again.
Keep us updated please.
Hugs,
Judy
well its been a year now without J-dog. I must admit I have never missed a dog this much. I have had lots of dogs in my life but this ones shines above all others. The pain is almost gone. I do still cry from time to time but its short. I really never thought I would get better but I have. With the help of this place. grief is a very strange thing. We all go through it and all very differently. Its a very powerful emotion. I have not grieved as hard with Goose as I did with Jay but I believe Jay helped me with Goose. I knew what to expect. Gooses dyeing was more natural, Jays more sudden. Either way it was one of the hardest things I have had to go through. I have lost many friends and family but I'm almost embassed to admit Jays death was the hardest. I guess its because Dogs are so personal. I mean they are all about us. It like love with no hassel or problems. Human love is the best but a dogs love is speical. I know he is out of pain and suffering and at rest. Dinky is doing just fine she is becoming my best freind too. Next week we both are going to fly to calif. It will be fun she loves to go with me everywhere.I think she will do great on the plane. Not a long flight. I never could do this with the boys They were not the flying type. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks for listening.
grief is a very strange thing. We all go through it and all very differently. Its a very powerful emotion. I have not grieved as hard with Goose as I did with Jay but I believe Jay helped me with Goose. I knew what to expect. Gooses dyeing was more natural, Jays more sudden. Either way it was one of the hardest things I have had to go through. I have lost many friends and family but I'm almost embassed to admit Jays death was the hardest. I guess its because Dogs are so personal. I mean they are all about us. It like love with no hassel or problems. Human love is the best but a dogs love is speical. I know he is out of pain and suffering and at rest. Dinky is doing just fine she is becoming my best freind too. Next week we both are going to fly to calif. It will be fun she loves to go with me everywhere.I think she will do great on the plane. Not a long flight. I never could do this with the boys They were not the flying type. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks for listening.
Glad to hear the test results were good.
We all have that Special Furbaby. We can never replace them.
Hugs to you!!!!!!!!!!
We all have that Special Furbaby. We can never replace them.
Hugs to you!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the update, Victoria. I am glad to hear about Dinky.
I agree it is hard to go through losing any of these sweethearts. What you described..about no judgment is really that special "unconditional love" we know so well as that is the gift we are given every single day they are with us.
Keep in touch. Happy Flight!
Hugs,
Judy
I agree it is hard to go through losing any of these sweethearts. What you described..about no judgment is really that special "unconditional love" we know so well as that is the gift we are given every single day they are with us.
Keep in touch. Happy Flight!
Hugs,
Judy
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