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I miss mouses
I keep thinking about it being their time or not. I keep thinking about all of us going through the guilt, and the "what if's." I suffer from this greatly, although I have come along way since January. Something clicked yesterday, and it made me feel like it was really just her time. Maybe it really was just their time. I keep wondering could we really go to heaven and find out we could of had a different ending? What kind of heaven would that be if I get there and ask, "what would of happened if I had left Mouses at the emergency vets to stabilize instead of taking her home to die?" Could the answer I'm dying to hear really be a negative one...such as, "Oh, I'm sorry you should have left her there she would have recovered?" "Oh, I'm sorry if you would have brought her in when she fell Monday, she would have made it." I just can't believe that is true...for any of us.

I started to think of peace. How could God bring us all peace. I can't imagine a God would add to our pain and misery. God could ease all of our pain with one simple sentence, "It was just their time." Can you imagine the peace that would bring? It is easy to comfort ourselves with that thought, but could you imagine if it was really true? God could also just say, "EVERYTHING (including how we spent time with them) went the way it was supposed to go." Such simple sentences that could erase all of our guilt, and all of our wondering. All of our questions would be hushed.

This thought has been helping me heal. I really can't imagine the horror of finding out we could have changed things. I am trying really hard to just believe it is just their time. We all share a common thread. God could really ease all of our pain so easily. No more wondering, "if only." If only I didn't feed him/her that...if only I took him/her in sooner...if only we hadn't went on vacation...if only we hadn't gone on that walk....if only I gave him/her their medicine better...if only I played with him/her more...if only I didn't let him/her out that morning...if only I brought him/her to the vet more often (we could have caught this sooner). All of that would be gone. God simply says, "IT WAS JUST THEIR TIME...EVERYTHING WENT THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO." A simple way to ease the pain of millions (for all losses/tragedies).

I see a lot of us second guess our actions. Maybe we don't have as much control as we think. For me part of it did feel like I was on autopilot. The inside part of me was struggling to bring Mouses back to the ER. The outside part of me just kept going with the flow...every pain staking minute. Sometimes I really do feel like it was out of our hands. It was just happening, and we sadly just had to sit back and watch it happen.

I will try to believe it was just her time...it is a very peaceful feeling. Then your just left with love, memories, and missing them until we see them again. I would take that over the hell I am putting myself through anyday. Some of us torture ourselves way too much. We were/are good pet owners. We love our babies with all of our hearts. We would have done anything to have saved them, but it was out of our hands. They couldn't live forever...we always knew this. We always knew we would spend a way bigger chunk of our lives without them than with them. To heal we have to accept it was just their time, whether we like it or not.
patricia
we all have our time. all living things must go. and you are so right. this too is the conclusion i have reached in my journey to recovery. if we can believe that for whatever reason they were sent to us then we must accept that they will leave us someday. we cannot question our maker but that is why i believe that when they leave us it is God's will; it was their time. and He is rejoicing as he welcomes them back. i believe that pain and suffering came as a result of sin. God did not intend for us to suffer. but with sin came death.
im glad to hear that you are finding peace. as i finished reading ceasar millans first book, towards the end he mentions how our pets teach us so much about life and about death. at first i was dumbfounded. What? what do they teach us. they leave us in so much pain, so much hurt that sometime we dont even know how to get out of that black hole. but look at the wonderful lesson you are learning and sharing with us. perhaps through the passing of our beloved pets we are meant to individually learn these lessons. i mean if we believe in a god that loves, we have to believe that he is a god of mercy and a god that doesnt want us to suffer and be in pain. unfortunately, all of our lives must end one day and we suffer and we hurt. but there comes a day (sad for the ones that are left behind) but that our pain is gone and that is what happens to all life. and when they leave us they return to our maker that welcomes all life back and he is happy.

i dont know. this is just where i have found my peace. and i believe this was the lesson that i was supposed to learn thru the passing of my loved ones. and suddenly im not afraid of death anymore because i know i will be reunited with all my four legged family members and all physical and emotional pain will be lifted and there will be joy. and while im here on this earth, i will love my new four legged companions and i will take care of them and maybe our god put us here on this earth to take care of those that need us the most. sorry for my rambling but thank you for your words and for reminding me of these things that my little ones taught me.
patricia
Jess
Chris, I would recommend picking up the book "Animals and the Afterlife" by Kim Sheridan. I'm reading it now and it's very comforting. Kim is an animal lover who has conducted a lot of research on the life and death of animals and she has uncovered a lot of "evidence" that the souls of animals do indeed continue on after their bodies expire. The book contains a ton of personal anecdotes from people who have lost pets. I'm really enjoying it. You can read a bit about it on Amazon.

Here is a quote written by Kim from the chapter I just finished called "The Hard Part is Letting Go":

"Time and again, whenever a beloved animal passed, I absolutely tormented myself day and night with 'what ifs,' 'if onlys,' and absolute certainy that I was the sole reason they had suffered and died; and that if I had made different decisions, somehow, things would have been better. I think those final moments of suffering become frozen in our minds, and long after an animal has passed, we're still living in those moments. We need to remind ourselves that the animals aren't. They've moved on and are doing absolutely fine. Whether we feel that we should have assisted them in leaving but didn't, or we did assist them in leaving and now regret it, they truly understand how difficult it was - and still is - for us. And they certainly aren't upset with us. They are in a place of unconditional love and understanding. When it's their time to go, it's their time. All the rest is just 'details.'"

~Jessica
Harley Parley
Hello all,

I know what you mean. I have been looking out my back window at the yard where my beloved Harley would play and run and at the spot near the back fence where he laid by himself the last morning he was with us. ON that morning, he wouldn't come to me, so I had to pick him up and pack him back into the house which was unusual because he never did take to being picked up at all. That morning, he just accepted it and looked me in the eyes and looked thankful. I was telling my dad about it and he remarked thatHarley probably knew his time was short and that dogs will not die in front of you because they don't want to be a burden to the pack. It really is part of their unselfish nature. Still, I have gone over the "what if's?" a thousand times in this last month. Sometimes I feel guilt and sometimes I feel shame and sometimes I feel what if? It's only natural for us to think that way because we feel that as the leader of the pack, we should know what to do all the time ad when our pets are gone, we take the blame on ourselves. However, we should remember one solid fact.

The fact is we absolutely loved our pets and did the best we could for them with all the knowledge and love we had. We took them into our homes and offered them food, exercise, care, medical attention, and all the love we could muster. We did all of this in the name of love with nothing less than our best. I honestly believe our pets knew this as they took their last breath and they headed for the Rainbow bridge. I think if they could talk they would tell us that they were going living such a full life with us that they had simply no regrets at all and that their time down here was done. And of course, they would tell us that they love us and that they would want us to be happy as they were that they came from a loving home with such loving owners.

Peace & Love
Ben
petmum
your words touched my soul, you are right.....it was just their time.
thank you so much for your words it has helped me thru a tough day after attending my 29yrs old niece's funeral. "It was just her time"
nisey
QUOTE (petmum @ Aug 13 2009, 04:27 AM) *
your words touched my soul, you are right.....it was just their time.
thank you so much for your words it has helped me thru a tough day after attending my 29yrs old niece's funeral. "It was just her time"



petmum,

I am so sorry for your loss! My prayers are with you!

Blessings,
Nisey
tokolos
I thought about this a lot since Friday, when we brought Magnus to the vet to have him put to sleep. I've been asking myself if I made the right decision, if he would have been okay for another day or week, if I really did the right thing, eventhough he seemed to be suffering so much.

My mind keeps moving between knowing that I made the right choice (he wasn't eating or moving or breathing without pain) and wondering if maybe he would have gotten better if I stayed home with him or asked the vet for medicine. I keep asking myself what was fair to him, not me. Doing everything I could to keep him here as long as possible would have been more for me than him, but I can't help but wonder what I could have done to have just one more day to lie beside him in the sun.

My mind tells me that there's a clear difference between their time and our time. I suppose that I just wish that someone would explain it to my heart.
Harley Parley
Tokolos,

I read this wonderful book called "Goodbye Old Friend" and it sure helped me. The author explains that even though chronologically our times are different, every creature be it a human or animal breathes the same amount of breaths and has the same amount of heart beats.

I pray that your heart understands this. The heart is sometimes stubborn isn't it?
Harley Parley
QUOTE (petmum @ Aug 13 2009, 01:27 AM) *
your words touched my soul, you are right.....it was just their time.
thank you so much for your words it has helped me thru a tough day after attending my 29yrs old niece's funeral. "It was just her time"
Sorry to hear that Petmum. I hope you and your family find comfort and healing.
patricia
QUOTE (petmum @ Aug 13 2009, 01:27 AM) *
your words touched my soul, you are right.....it was just their time.
thank you so much for your words it has helped me thru a tough day after attending my 29yrs old niece's funeral. "It was just her time"


im so sorry elaine! please accept my condolenses. youre family is in my prayers!
patricia
petmum
thank you everyone.

Yes, our time & their time.....I like that.....
I miss mouses
QUOTE (Jess @ Aug 12 2009, 08:13 PM) *
Chris, I would recommend picking up the book "Animals and the Afterlife" by Kim Sheridan. I'm reading it now and it's very comforting.

They've moved on and are doing absolutely fine. Whether we feel that we should have assisted them in leaving but didn't, or we did assist them in leaving and now regret it, they truly understand how difficult it was - and still is - for us. And they certainly aren't upset with us. They are in a place of unconditional love and understanding. When it's their time to go, it's their time. All the rest is just 'details.'"

~Jessica



That sounds exactly like a book I need to read. I asked for some animal afterlife books for my birthday...nothing specific. Hopefully that will be one of them. "They've moved on and are doing absolutely fine." I think about that often. I know if I saw Mouses tomorrow she would just purr, chat away, sleep above my head, follow me around, beg for treats, and follow her same routine. It is 3:58pm, she would be sitting on her couch pillow looking out the window, and I would be petting her. She would be exactly the same. I take comfort in that...she is not mad at me in any way.

"When it's their time to go, it's their time. All the rest is just 'details.'" So true.
Thanks Jess!
I miss mouses
QUOTE (patricia @ Aug 12 2009, 08:01 PM) *
if we can believe that for whatever reason they were sent to us then we must accept that they will leave us someday.

im glad to hear that you are finding peace. as i finished reading ceasar millans first book, towards the end he mentions how our pets teach us so much about life and about death. at first i was dumbfounded. What? what do they teach us. they leave us in so much pain, so much hurt that sometime we dont even know how to get out of that black hole. but look at the wonderful lesson you are learning and sharing with us. perhaps through the passing of our beloved pets we are meant to individually learn these lessons.
patricia


Hi Patricia,

I too believe that pets teach us so much about life and death. However, when Mouses first died I refused to give her death meaning. I didn't want her death have a purpose...that made it too real. Now I am more open to the idea. I tend to think of life like a book--in that it has different chapters. A new chapter called "the move" was about to start, and she just wasn't meant to be apart of it. I always feared this with the "baby" chapters. I tried so hard to show Mouses I still loved her and needed her. I had room in my heart for everyone in my small little world. I wish so much she was meant to be apart of this chapter. We plan to live in this house for about 7 years. This would be the "new house/elementary years." This would have brought Mouses to a nice old age of 19. I wish so much she was a part of this adventure. I wish so much she would have gone before the next chapter of my life. It would be just as hard to make that move without her...but at least I would have the comfort of her old age, no matter what the details of her ending were.

I wasn't thinking of this as a shared lesson, but you're right. Maybe I did learn something? The hard part is as soon as I begin to let her go...I just pull her right back in. Actually, I let her go a long time ago...what I'm really trying to say is...whenever I let go of my favorite chapter in my life...I just pull that back in. I don't want it to be over. Whenever I try to ride the rollercoaster of life, and enjoy what I do have around me...I feel awful. Nothing will bring her back. I know I have to live and be happy again, but it sure is hard. I'm glad you are doing so well. You seem to do well pouring all of your love right back into something. I admire you for that. I know I will get there...I am close.

Chris
I miss mouses
QUOTE (petmum @ Aug 13 2009, 03:27 AM) *
your words touched my soul, you are right.....it was just their time.
thank you so much for your words it has helped me thru a tough day after attending my 29yrs old niece's funeral. "It was just her time"


I am glad my words were able to comfort you in your time of need. I am so sorry to hear about your niece. I am a few years older than your niece...that is very hard to hear. Her time or not. Bless all of those she left behind.

We are here for you Elaine!
Chris wub.gif
I miss mouses
QUOTE (Harley Parley @ Aug 12 2009, 11:32 PM) *
Hello all,

Sometimes I feel guilt and sometimes I feel shame and sometimes I feel what if? It's only natural for us to think that way because we feel that as the leader of the pack, we should know what to do all the time ad when our pets are gone, we take the blame on ourselves.

I agree. I think that all of the time. I once told someone on here that I didn't take the death of my own father as hard as this, because HE was responsible for his death. I think this is where most of the pain comes from. It hurts that she is no longer here, but I think it hurts even more knowing I didn't help her/save her. I have to believe/hope it was her time, so I no longer have to hold myself accountable for her untimely death. I apologize to her everyday. I was her owner. I should have taken better care of her. This should have been caught while she was still stable. It was her time...I am still trying to absorb this concept.

we should remember one solid fact.

The fact is we absolutely loved our pets and did the best we could for them with all the knowledge and love we had. We took them into our homes and offered them food, exercise, care, medical attention, and all the love we could muster. We did all of this in the name of love with nothing less than our best. I honestly believe our pets knew this as they took their last breath and they headed for the Rainbow bridge. I think if they could talk they would tell us that they were going living such a full life with us that they had simply no regrets at all and that their time down here was done. And of course, they would tell us that they love us and that they would want us to be happy as they were that they came from a loving home with such loving owners.

Well said! This is what gets me through the day. Mouses knows I would never hurt her. She also knows I wouldn't have let her go if I didn't have to. They all know that. Look at us...they are still in our brains 24/7, now that is love...an undying love...an undying bond.

Peace & Love
Ben
I miss mouses
QUOTE (tokolos @ Aug 13 2009, 10:46 AM) *
I thought about this a lot since Friday, when we brought Magnus to the vet to have him put to sleep. I've been asking myself if I made the right decision, if he would have been okay for another day or week, if I really did the right thing, eventhough he seemed to be suffering so much.

My mind keeps moving between knowing that I made the right choice (he wasn't eating or moving or breathing without pain) and wondering if maybe he would have gotten better if I stayed home with him or asked the vet for medicine. I keep asking myself what was fair to him, not me. Doing everything I could to keep him here as long as possible would have been more for me than him, but I can't help but wonder what I could have done to have just one more day to lie beside him in the sun.

My mind tells me that there's a clear difference between their time and our time. I suppose that I just wish that someone would explain it to my heart.


I'm sorry for the loss of your Magnus. Such a cutie!

I know your pain all to well. My kitty wasn't eating, moving, or breathing without pain either. We (you and I) made the right choice. We did what was best for them. Could we have made them linger, probably? The vet I saw that night pulled me aside from my family. She knew I was "that kind." She said, "every now and then I run across a strong bond like this." She begged me to do the right thing. She knew I didn't want to let go. She said, "sometimes we have to do what's best for them, and not ourselves." She was right. She told me cats can linger a long time. Had Mouses been able to breath, I would have waited longer. It was all happening too fast. I needed more time. Like all of the other pets Mouses hid it very well, for her this wasn't happening too fast. It had been happening for a long time. She didn't need more time. I did. We love them too much to see it. Their cute furry unchanged bodies confuse us.

Something to think about...A few months after Mouses died I got the flu. My temp was 103 degrees. I felt like death. It was a very awakening time in my grieving. It is easy to think of dragging out their endings when your sitting there healthy. There will come a day when you will come down with something, you will think of how awful you feel, and you will be glad you let your Magnus go when you did. They looked adorable, but they felt like ~~!

It is hard when you don't know the other side to the story. I think this site helps with that. You get to see both sides. Those who wait longer, and those who don't. It is a no-win situation for most. You gain something, but lose something else. It would have been nice (REALLY NICE) to have a little bit longer to say goodbye, but it was just their time.

Take care, Chris
ragdollfloozie
Yeah, we're only dancing on this earth for a short time.

I worry sometimes that I kept Hobbes for too long. She was over 20 and quite frail when she died in her sleep. The last night she was with us I knew that I probably would have to take her in to the vets if she was still breathing in the morning. I knew my girlie tho and I could tell when she was feeling totally off. She went into a small decline about 7 years ago but bounced back with a bit of help from the vet.

I was terribly afraid to make the choice for her. Weird...I've done this for other animals but I was paralyzed. I probably should have had her to the vets about a week before but she still seemed to be enjoying things. Knew she wasn't going to get any better though. I feel guilty as heck that I didn't bring her in to the vets that week before when she first started showing signs of total failure.

This is what haunts me most.




ragdollfloozie
QUOTE (petmum @ Aug 13 2009, 04:27 AM) *
your words touched my soul, you are right.....it was just their time.
thank you so much for your words it has helped me thru a tough day after attending my 29yrs old niece's funeral. "It was just her time"



Omgoodness Petmum...so sorry for your families loss.
patricia
I wasn't thinking of this as a shared lesson, but you're right. Maybe I did learn something? The hard part is as soon as I begin to let her go...I just pull her right back in. Actually, I let her go a long time ago...what I'm really trying to say is...whenever I let go of my favorite chapter in my life...I just pull that back in. I don't want it to be over. Whenever I try to ride the rollercoaster of life, and enjoy what I do have around me...I feel awful. Nothing will bring her back. I know I have to live and be happy again, but it sure is hard. I'm glad you are doing so well. You seem to do well pouring all of your love right back into something. I admire you for that. I know I will get there...I am close.

Chris


yes i know how difficult it is to let go. i was so afraid that if i closed the chapter i would forget what freds little face looked like and all of his little antics and how he felt when i buried my face in his fur. i understand. its just going to take time. i think i am doing well because i have a silly little dog that needs all of my attention. you wouldnt believe how crazy she is. my friends didnt believe me until they met her. but i think that fred sent her to me. this one in particular because he knew that i needed not to think, otherwise id be in fetal position all day. its not easy for me either. were all in the same boat; just trying to survive today. we'll get there chris! i promise
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