Hope ive done this right because if i have you can see by babies Jude's on the right and Sadie's on the left.
The ten smiles are what i wished i could do if i only knew how to do it.
Hope we can still access the old site as i left my heart there

OK I DID IT WRONG - DONT PRESS ENTER ON YOUR KEYBOARD TILL YOUVE FINISHED.
would upload original pic so im doing them on at a time - this is Jude
LOVE SUE

got it
and this is Sadie
Looking forward to seeing all the pictures of your fur babies
Love Sue Jude and Sadie
***

Not a very good pic of Sadie this ones a bit better but she looks soooo sad
this new system doesnt seem to like my scanned photos, shame.
Third time lucky

i give up this site wont let me upload pics of Sadie eventhough there the same size and format as the last two, and Ians chewing my ear off about probs at work so the only thing i can think of is to start another conversation, maybe each conversation will only allowe so many pics
Jude hated having here photo taken when she was alive and allways ran and hid if the camara came out, how it looks like Sadie doesnt want you to see her lovely face.

See you all later when Ian stops talking
Sue

hi, welcome... you are the first one to arrive

i know the pics have to be 200k or less, could that be it? check its size
and give er a try again. need to work out some bugs, hang in there. thanks!

i also upped the pics per thread to 10, bet that was it.

oh, and the old forums will remain there forever as well. save the link! if
you want to transfer your most recent posts here, feel free. unfortunately
the software change doesn't permit it

Thanks for the info iwill try again
I love the cats eyes
Sue

you can add your own avatar (the cats eyes) by going into your profile.

click mycontrols above, select avatar.

you can choose one of ours or add your own by uploading it

Ok ive changed the photo from BMP to JPEG so i hope this will work, ive also changed the size to a smaller one so ive no idea what this is going to look like.
Jude is on the right and Sadie is on the left.

WOW IM SOOO CLEVER
my babies for the whole world to see

Sue -- What wonderful photos. Especially the last two!! Thanks for sharing!
--Jennifer

yes, those are awesome pics!

thanks for caring so much about your pets...

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<./|\

MD Cohn
THANK YOU MD Cohn for caring enough about US to provide this website and updating it

Hey Sue,

Where is everyone??????

In the past month since everyone died, I've developed serious abandonment issues. Actually, I kind of laugh at myself bc it really is true. So where is DJ and boyd and karla and nevmoore and the other regulars and the new people too? Where are you?? You haven't posted in a couple days. I hope you are ok.

I think it was easier to post on the old forum. You could just post-- none of this registration stuff. But I miss everyone.

--Jennifer

Hey don’t panic im still here just had a couple of nights out, well actually we stayed in last night and had a drink and talked after a rough day at the office.
I’ve been reading the messages at work but haven’t figured out how to reply on another computer.
And I agree where are you DJ I love reading your replies their so spiritual.
I was disappointed that you removed the picture of Saki please try again,
Please don’t apologise for disagreeing with me ( re valium) it wouldn’t do to all be the same.
I personally am - a veggie, use aromatherapy and try alternative medicines,
healthy life style eh cept i drink too much and smoke.
I've added the birdie as my avatar seeing as the only animals left in my life are my birds in the Avery, at one time I used to have about 30 birds a rabbit, Ringo and my dogs Jude and Sadie. I know have five doves and one finch left and I wont be getting any more animals as they just die on you.
How are you, you’ve sounded a bit depressed or maybe even angry and I'm sorry I haven’t been able to reply sooner, we’ve just come back from a medium reading which will eventually be shown on Living TV , unfortunately we were not read but that was ok. Ok I'm lying I spent the whole night saying to myself go on girls get up there and keep pestering him and Jude hit him with your tail.
I've been ok the last couple of days although the 6th is looming fast and when I go to bed I just keep staring at the ceiling or out the window and cant sleep.
Anyway another long one.
Take care
Love Sue.

Well, you are certainly allowed nights off!!!!

I keep waiting for my anger. Anger usually comes so naturally to me. But there isn't any. (yet???) Tim (who is not an angry person) has had some. But as far as the grief stages, all I feel is the grief....

And I really have developed some really weird abandonment issues. I mean, they are not full blown serious stuff. But for instance, I haven't spent a night (evening) away from Tim since everyone died. I take care of my parents a lot, and often (before) spent at least an evening per week with them, but I haven't been able to. And I guess maybe I am kind of afraid to leave the house. Not for normal stuff -- work, shopping, etc. But if I can be here, I want to be here...

Which means, I probably should DEFINITELY get out for a night. And that makes sense too, how you phrase it, about excessive attention for Electra.

I am afraid of birds!!! It is my mother's fault. She was attacked by a rooster as a young child, so she was always afraid of birds. Then I grew up with her screaming every time a bird was near and I learned to be afraid of birds. Tim has joked about getting a parrot bc they presumably live for 70 years or so.

I am probably not a healthy person right now. I do that in phases (though I am always a smoker and drinker...). And I think here in the states, we are very different. Holistic/alternative medicines are growing, but mainly it is strictly allopathic/traditional medicine. As far as I know, insurance only covers traditional medicines (and not very well at that). And Americans love their pills and their treatments...

Anyway, I thought the other board closed 7/1/03 to new messages, so everyone should COME ON OVER.

Love,
Jennifer

Where am I??? Did you think I would LEAVE???!!! It was a long weekend here in Canada and it took me a day or so to get used to this system.

So I 'm back.... and flattered that anyone missed me

So let's all use this board and ease people's pain....

Gosh i got confussed there i could see on the front that DJ was back - from her long weekend - but i couldnt find you. Hope you had a great break and the weather was nice (as if it wouldnt be in Canada).

Anyway seems ive posted so much that im now on my second page.

Jennifer try going out for a meal first, break yourself and Electra in gently. It took me four months before the anger started but then im used to burying my problems - thats why this forum is so great you can say silly things and not feel silly, although i do often go back and re read and think i wish i hadnt posted that, but what the hell were hardly likely to meet being continents apart, but wouldnt it be funny if we all went on hols to the same place and realised who each of us was!!! Your not going to Cyprus in Sept are you?

Love you Jude and Sadie sorry we didnt meet last night but i know your with me and thats great.
Love Sue

Just to let you all know... I hadn't really noticed but everyone seems to have assumed I am a "her" because I was Edgar and Jesse's "Mommy".

They had two Daddies, actually... Since they learned our "names" I got to be Mommy to avoid confusion. I am also the worrier, the one whose friends flock to for advice and the one at work whose shoulder people cry on... I always wanted to be a Mom - the stereotype of a "Dad" seem so..... less nurturing.

So.... My name is DJ - short for Don John. But my closest friends in childhood always called me DJ.

Several people have mentioned that my replies seem spiritual. I believe deeply in the nobility of the human spirit. That we are all on a journey as a family. Every time I hold open a door, give up my seat on the metro, etc - I am doing it for a member of my family.

Edgar and Jesse had a lot of aunts and uncles. They would love you all as much as I have come to. So I come on here for my family - YOU.

Oh, Don John, we ARE glad you're back. And YES I assumed you were a woman bc "mommy" is one of the relatively few gendered terms we have in the English language. And bc I am sexist and believe that men are less capable of expression than women and anyone so deep must be "female..." MY BAD.

A silly Saki story: In the few weeks before she died we kept going to the vet trying to figure out what was wrong. And one day, the vet tech kept calling Saki "he" i.e., she'd ask "Is he vomitting?" and I'd say, "No, **SHE'S** not." This went on for a couple minutes until the tech said "Is he -- I mean SHE ____?" And then I just bust out laughing bc I was getting so worked up about the (irrelevant) gender of my pet. My pets don't have gender. And they're sterilized...

Although I do have to admit: Freyja and Electra are pretty "girlie..."

Love ya'll...
Jennifer

Dearest Don the funny thing was when I posted on the old forum I had to word it carefully because it dawned on me I wasn’t sure. Then as you said I thought silly cow it says mommie.
Silly cow again eh. – am I allowed to say cow it is after all an animal and could be a pet, if you had a big garden and they are furry?
Anyway I was trying to think tonight what I meant when I sadie (done it again, guess where my brain is) spiritual to explain myself more clearly, well when I read your postings its like a calm spot in a stormy sea, so im not suprised your friends come to you for a shoulder to cry on.
Thank you
The bit about the human spirit ive only just realised this in my medium research and life realy makes sence to me now, if youve realised this all along then you must be a really high spirit and id say your postings would confirm this.
Love Sue

At one time in my life - my soul was touched. Two little, grumpy, demanding, furry, overwhelming beings touched me deeply. Gender doesn't matter. All that matters is the love we feel for each other.

Some have you have touched my soul, made my heart ache, and other have made a balm with your words that has soothed my beyond belief.

My family is here. In pain, in grief, in loss -we find a bond that draws us together and allows us to touch something greater than our individual souls. A human commonality that exists beyond and within.

Smile when you think DJ is a guy - and imagine that when I'm hugging you it's with slightly different arms. But I am hugging you nonetheless. You are caring, giving, loving people and a part of me. I owe you my sanity.

Amen to that. Truer than true.
And as far as gender not mattering -- I think that is why our loss is sooooo deep. None of that crap mattered with our furbabies. Fat thin smart dull rich poor sick healthy better worse.... NONE of that mattered. All that mattered was our spirits loving each other. It simply is not as easy to bond that way with humans. We love our pets and they love us in ways that are not common with humans. And when we lose that (and yes, I am dimly aware that we never really lose it, but... my loss is still too fresh), when they pass on, it hurts so much bc that sense of pure love feels gone. Your very special friend, the one who didn't care if you got that promotion, or gained 100 lbs, or smelled from doing yard work, the one(s) that most truly just wanted you to be happy and to love, aren't there to remind you of that anymore. And it hurts like the dickens...

Love ya'll,
Jennifer

You're right. Love without judgement. Of course, it wasn't selfless love - my guys wanted food, hugs, petting, playing, attention, cuddling, talking, fresher water, the tv off, the tv on, they wanted the one chair a guest would be sitting on....

But they loved me for ME. The part that people can't always seem to see. Sigh - If their loss affects those of us with families and friends so strongly - I can't IMAGINE how it affects people who are alone or lonely or shut-ins or elderly.....

One more reason to keep coming here.

Yeah, I actually wrote an article for an encyclopedia of aging on the topic of pets. There are about 10 billion physical/health benefits to having pets (another thing we lose when they go). And it can be a very very serious problem when the pet of the elderly passes on...

What should I do about the stray hanging around? He runs back and forth across the street and the street is fairly busy. I CAN'T take him. I think various neighbors are feeding him. We CAN'T take him bc of Electra. One, she wouldn't like it, but more importantly bc of her FIV status, we can't have any more cats until she passes on.

Love ya'll,
Jennifer

You could try catching him (good luck) and taking him to a cat rescue centre who will eventually find a home for him and someone to love.
Love Sue

Hey, Sue,

You doing OK??? How'd the anniversary go? Any visits lately? I bet they were whacking that psychic's leg with their tails -- he just didn't know what to make of it.

I am supposed to get Saki's cremains back tomorrow. They called me back yesterday... I don't know what is up with all that. I figure it is about money. I was crying so hard when I took her to the vet-- they put me in a separate room. And I talked to this one vet tech while I was in there, Tim had already talked to her twice in 12 hours, (once to make the euth. appt and then to tell her Saki had passed on her own...). Anyway, so then I ended up leaving without paying. They seemed to want to be rid of me (understandable-- can't have me upsetting other parents or pets) and I've been going to them for years (so I'm good for the $)... So I don't know where she's been these 2+ weeks, but they called me Monday and said the cremains would be here Wednesday /tomorrow.

Grizzly's mom on the old board (don't think she's come over--???) said when she got the cremains, they didn't all fit in her urn. That freaked her out, but then she decided to spread the remaining cremains... I think if Saki doesn't fit, then I'll take the rest of her up to my office.

Hope you are doing ok.

Love,
Jennifer

I did ok - i think - had quite a peaceful day actually with no tears just a peaceful calmness.
When the vet took Jude Ian took control, as I was out of control, and booked for them to do the cremation, when I phoned the next day they said it would be nearly two weeks before we would get her back, I couldn’t wait that long and luckily there was a place near us called Restin Pets who promise to do it the next day so I only had to wait a couple of days.
Ill be thinking of you tomorrow, my personal view on funerals is that the waiting is finally over and gives some closure.
I, as you know, scattered Jude and Sadie’s ashes at the stream where we walked but there is a club we go to and I've been told that an old members ashes are actually in one of the Toby jugs up on a ledge, this I'm told is what he requested in his will and the members often have a toast to him, guess that’s one way of being remembered.
In my will I have requested that my ashes be scattered on a beach, any beach will do Barbados, Hawaii, Jamaica, only kidding, as long as theirs sand and waves and occasionally sunshine. I would also like to request laughter but I know I wouldn’t be able to do that much.
A quote from a site I found on the Internet - words of wisdom
‘To live in someone's heart is not to die’
And one for Joe (elctropop): -
'It is not how a man dies but how he lives that matters'.

Hope everything goes well tomorrow
Love to you, Tim, Saki, Freyja, Electra, mum, dad and grandma
Im sure they'll all be with you.
Sue

You know, Sue,

Before I knew you were a smoker (like me), drinker (like me), wanted to be cremated (like me) spread on a beach (like me), I liked you. My only guess is that Freyja told me to ....

I am NOT going to Cyprus this summer.

But thanks for being such a good friend to me.

I'll let you know how the cremains thing goes...

Love you,
Jennifer

Jennifer,

I am in the midst of trying to befriend a stray in my neighbourhood. He's a big black Tom - unfixed, and SOOOO friendly. He's got an infected eye, a few scratches and some nasty knots in his fur. He keeps coming around and I've started feeding him to gain his trust. He already lets me pet him and rolls around on his back for more food!!!

I feel kind of guilty, but my intent is only to get him to my vet so that he can get medical care and I can get him adopted. A local shelter has volunteered to assist me with adoption if I can catch him....

So wish me luck!!! Pray that until I catch him our passed on pets keep him safe!!!

Edgar, Jesse,Saki, Jude, Sadie and Grizzly - I'm counting on you!!!!!!!!

Dearest DJ i guess all we can do is count on you, be patient someone i knew actual told me how they kicked their cat out just because he had fleas.
I dont even want to imagine what this poor little mites life has been like but if anyone can help him/her its you.
One thought try leaving the cage with the food in it and a bed maybe he'll curl up in it, worth a try i suppose.
Good luck and keep us posted.
Love Sue

I think I could catch my little stray with a minimal effort. I need to contact our no-kill shelter here and see if they would take him...

Good luck with catching yours, DJ. And all our furry friends up there, you tell Dj's stray that it is gonna be ok.

I got Saki's cremains back today, but I will post on my own conversation...

Well this is going to be hard for me but I've decided that I babble on far too much, after all someone looking on this site for support doesnt want to know that some guys ashes are in a toby jug down our local club.
Believe it or not in the real world I'm a listener so its been an enormous help to me to be able to babble on and id like to thank you all for being so patient and not screaming at me to just shuuuut uuuuuup.
Of course ill still try to help others with my feeble words, I'm no scholar but more the artistic type, same as my whole family (see here I go again) so I find it difficult to put into words what I'm thinking or feeling, but ill keep trying.
DJ and Jennifer how’s it going with the strays.
Thank you all for your lovely hearts and big ears.
Love Sue

Sue, when did you loose Jude and Sadie? Their pictures are great. I love dogs that look like they did, not a posh breed just what I call doggy dogs, lovely cuddle me dogs. I'm pleased that Jennifer has a new pup, but it's different for everyone and I gather you are not keen to have more animals yet. After over a year I have not got more cats. I will have more (lots of old cats) one day but not yet.

I hope you are OK, - Helen

Hi Helen so glad to hear from you again I must admit I too was beginning to wonder if the Tom, Dick and Harry joke had upset you, we can all be a bit protective towards our fur babies.
It was nice to learn you were English I always assume I'm talking to Americans; we English can be so reserved.
Sadie died 6 December last year and Jude 6 March this year, it’s been a long hard road but I guess I'm getting there, then tomorrow comes.
I used to have lots of pets but I cant get used to them dying so ……… and yes they were cuddly and I miss that too, but yes I'm ok thanks for asking.
Love Sue

The stray still isn't caught but he lets me pet him and rolls over for a belly rub too. My vet is away for two weeks so I hope this guy can hang on til she's back (he's been out there since I moved here two years ago so I think he'll be ok)

Sue,

YOU have helped me so much. So has everyone out here. But I NEVER want you to shut up. I get such comfort from you.

I contacted the no-kill shelter about the stray and they said they didn't have any room right now but to call on Friday. He scares me to death. I hate how he crosses the street.

Tim is crabby about something and gritching at me. I'm sick and don't feel well.

I was realizing today that when I came on the board, You were about where I am now with Freyja's death in terms of time. Weird -- two months now and it feels like yesterday (even with the new pup, who is laying at my feet)....

Time to attend to Tim and Hathor.

Love to you,
Jennifer

So there is this show on here in the states called "pet psychic." I don't know quite what it is about, I think the psychic tells you what is wrong with your pet (ie why it is tearing up the sofa when you go to work...) But it made me think of you. Have you had any readings lately? Any good news?
--Jennifer

C if U can picture this
A trip down memory lane

The scene

Ringo has the run of our 100ft garden
I'm peeling potatoes at the sink
Sadie who loved her bed as much as her food and walks is sleeping
And Jude is nursing stitches with a big white bandage round her front paw.

So as I said I was peeling potatoes by the kitchen window when I heard a kind of short screech I looked up and saw the local fox standing over Ringo and staring straight at me.
After a few seconds I screamed for Jude, Ringo jumped up took a second to realise he had company and darted off down the garden the fox stopped staring at me and took chase, I flew out the back door with the sound of Jude crashing around trying to find balance with her bandaged foot slipping everywhere.
So there we were the fox chasing Ringo me chasing the fox and Jude barking and hoping behind me.
Ringo ran round the greenhouse with the fox hot on his tail. Ringo came out the other side and the fox must have jumped the fence, Jude by now has overtaken me and is jumping up and down looking this way and that and after a little sniff realised hed gone.
I turned round expecting to see Ringo in a panic but instead found him leg ##ed in the air cleaning himself and Sadies at the back door wondering what all the commotions about!

I fell asleep last night with a smile on my lips remembering.

No I haven’t had any more readings, apart from the Buckingham Palace message, I heard somewhere that your not supposed to keep pestering them, after all they do have a life over there you know.
I have bought a tape that teaches you to meditate, this would be good for me because I don’t know how to switch my brain off, and believe me my brain works way over time.
The tapes also teach you to be able to open up to the spirit world eventually, so I'm hoping that in time I will be able to feel them when they are around although I've put up so many barriers its going to take time.
When I say they rescued me I was serious, I was petrified of the dark or even just nighttime, but if I became afraid I would look at the dogs and if they weren’t reacting then it must be ok.
I have finally let Ian close the bedroom curtains at night and I've been ok, the sun was waking us up before 5am every morning, I guess I was either frightened of the fear returning or if their spirits came I wanted to make sure I could see them.
When we scattered their ashes we went at dusk, crossed a field to the stream and returned in the dark – 17 years ago no way would I have done that. Maybe that’s why Jude was the way she was, she felt my fear and chased everyone off to protect me.
I think that this is one of my lessons in life and until I have passed the exam Jude will be kept from me so I'm trying really hard.

Guess you wished you hadn’t asked!!!!!!!

Why don’t you go along to your psychic fair you might be able to find someone who can do Reiki as they do it for pets too.

When I go to bed at night, I still make Tim shut the closet door. I am 36 years old, surely night goblins don't still hide in closets!!!!! Better safe than sorry!

We do learn so much from them, don't we??? They do make us better.

I was laughing so hard when I read the fox story. Thank you for sharing that.

Who knows that they can't be in two places at once? I think Freyja is... She's here and there.

And no, I'm not sorry I asked!

Love,
Jennifer

I love this photo even if it does look like ive got a big nose

She does look tired doesnt she?
She hated having her photo taken.

I didn't think "tired" when I saw her eyes. I though "cute".

At least your noses match (grin)

The better to smell you with!

I think Sadie's beautiful (I think that is Sadie. Sadie had more white on her face, yes?). It's a great pic. I don't know where you get "tired" from.

I also think the board is being taken over by Brits!!! It's another British invasion!!

It's dreadfully, miserably hot here. How's it there?

How are you? How was your post-anniversary celebration with Ian?

Love,
Jennifer

No, Sorry this is Jude it was taken in January, and her nose is definitely more kissable than mine.
The only person who ever managed to tell them apart was Ians nephew, at five he took great pleasure in trying to explain to people how to tell them apart but they never could.
Our anniversary was great sitting in St James Park listening to a band play………… there was 100s of people there due to the heat wave were having, and after the band stopped playing we all gathered round to plan our invasions.

Hope your feeling better.
Love Sue

PS ive sent you a private message giving more detail about the weekend, if you go to my controls at the top, then click go to inbox.