There are alarming and ever-increasing numbers of incidences of ill heath and often unexpected and premature death in our animals nowadays. I have a personal concern for all of them, everywhere, whether 'mine' or not. So even if it's not 'popular opinion', I'd like to post this link to information on the (thankfully) growing numbers of veterinarians who are highly concerned with the root causes of growing epidemics of disease in our 'pets'. You may be uncomfortable with what you read (as you SHOULD be!), but it is my hope that like the highly-respected vets who are speaking out, you will take the time to educate yourself and think, as they have been doing, about the links between vaccinating (and over-vaccinating) animals who start out at least relatively healthy, but too soon end up leaving us because of blindly following protocols that, once dissected and studied, make little sense and actually end up harming the ones we love so dearly. I firmly believe that we should take responsibility for our furbabies health and wellness by learning all we can about what we are allowing and choosing for them and by remaining open to more discriminatory ways of thinking, on their behalf. To my mind, they are ALL worth this little bit of effort on our parts.

They constantly help us to grow, in mind, body and spirit and we all want them to live long, joyous and healthy lives. So let us do our part and not be afraid to keep learning and growing, in thanks for all they give us so freely and willingly.

Shirley's Wellness Cafe - topic: vaccinosis in animals

Thanks for the link... I heard about this kind of thing years ago. One of the reasons I changed vets was because the old one kept insisting on giving Simba shots that I felt he didn't need. Everytime I took him there they seemed like they wanted to make a pin cushion out of him. I am they insisted because they were more interested in the money for each shot rather than the health of my cat.

His first lump that came up looked like it was in the exact spot where he got one of the shots. Might be just a coincidence but I suspected it was some kind of allergic reaction to a shot he got.

After he got the bump surgically removed it grew back a few months later. When petting him I started feeling the bumps all over his body and at that point there wasn't really much that could be done for him. Eventually they spread into his stomach and lungs and that is when I had to let him go.

I'm not saying it was from all the shots but it does definately have me wondering in the back of my mind.

Simba's Daddy,

Actually, you're smarter than you're giving yourself credit for! Fibrosarcomas arising at the site of injections for vaccinations is well-known (albeit not 'advertised!) in the veterinary field, particularly from rabies and feline leukemia virus vaccines. Researchers have found vaccine particles within the cancer mass in a number of cases, so the link is certain. They are often referred to as vaccine sarcomas, are malignant, no treatment has proven satisfactory and even with aggressive removal, they recur in most cats. Some vets suggest giving the shots in the leg, or even in the tail (YOWCH!) so they can amputate if cancer arises. Some solution! This is exactly why we need to know all about vaccines.

I'm glad you noticed this post, as it's so, so important to our babies' health. Thanks for taking an interest!

This is a wonderful topic to address, and it is so wonderful for FK's mom to be so concerned about all the furbabies of the world ....if only everyone could care so much ...

Simba's daddy,
or might not! Cats can, and more often than people want to believe do, develop a very serious and very aggressive form of cancer from vaccinations ! It is called Feline Sarcoma ( it is caused by the adjuvant in the vaccine-the adjuvant is the product in the vaccine that stimulates the immune system and makes the vaccine effective)and it will usually spread very quickly and it is fatal. As a matter of fact, most vets these days will give the vaccinations in a hind limb just in case this happens-that way if caught in time, the limb can be amputated and the life of the cat possibly saved (although some won't volunteer the info. as to why they place vaccine there )!! I urge people to discuss this issue at length with your veterinarians!

FK's mom makes a brilliant point here! Some 'old school' vets are afraid of change. They have been doing it this way "forever". Well, just as with everything else in the world, we learn something new everyday. As Dr. Phil says "we do the best we can with what we know and when we know better we do better!" Yeah, it will hurt them(vets) in the pocket without the annual vaccine schedule, but if they are good vets, they will do what is best for the animals. My vet does still firmly believe in the importance of puppy and kitten shots to get them started out on the right foot (and I have seen so many puppies die from parvo, non of which were vacccinated, but never a vaccinated puppy with it, so I have to agree that 'baby' shots are effective), but he does believe that adult dogs are highly over vaccinated and voices his opinion to that! My vets only concern is that without getting vaccines, people will neglect their yearly exams and find them 'unnecessary', but it is still very important to see your vet each year for the other things that are equally important such as heartworm tests, bloodwork, and just a general wellbeing exam.

My Sasha had her vaccinations every year for all the 16 years of her life because that is the way things were done then....thank goodness I was lucky to never have any problems with it. Now that I 'know better, I do better' and as of 2 years ago my current animals are only vaccinated when needed through t*iter testing (although this test can also be contraversial ) and are so far still completely protected from the vaccines they recieved 2 years ago!

Ummmm, okay....obviously I got side tracked during my last post and didn't send it through until quite a bit later than I started it....well after FK's mom reply ! Hey, at least our info. agrees !!

Kim,

Well....ummmm, I hate to be the bearer of 'bad' tidings, but all of the info actually doesn't agree...just that last little bit. If you read everything from the link (too much to detail here), where they also discuss t*iters, etc. you'll see what I mean. But I'm glad to hear your babies aren't getting annuals anymore! As soon as I first learned about all this, we stopped vaccinating immediately, when our kidlets were about 7 or 8, but unfortunately damage from vaccines had already been done. Thankfully, Nissa had Dr. Hamilton after Sabin passed, so we were able to somewhat mitigate some of her vaccinosis ailments, but not completely, just as some of the articles say. I'm convinced that was one of the reasons she lived so much longer than her brother. That was my first lesson in letting go of guilt for not knowing what I just didn't know at the time.

My homeopath is against any vaccinations. I know the rabies one is the law but, I'll break the law to keep my babies healthy. I didn't read the article, sorry, but I don't like getting that into my brain. I'm too afraid I'll help create it for my babies. I just try to keep them away from 'western medicine' vets.

Injecton site Sarcoma IS a huge problem in cats, but that's not all that can happen. I didn't know any of this 10 years ago when we got Moose. I took him in for all the shots they recomend. The fe-luk almost killed him. His leg was VERY sore and he was so sick for two weeks. Then, years later, he started to limp on that leg. The vet was talking about amputation, but we found homeopathy and the remedy helped. He always was a little weak in that leg.

I've also been thinking about what is recomemded for food, and what is happening to too many of our babies. Moose was so small and stayed that way for quite a while. It wasn't until we got him on raw turkey (okay, lightly sauted) that he started to bulk up and went from 8 to 16 pounds. I'm thinking fresh food, not that old processed with whatever kibble may be much better for them, more like what they eat in the wild. I think the overprocessed kibble may be actually causing some of the cancers and other problems.

Lori,

Yes, you're SO right, about all of this. BOTH of our kidlets had long-term reactions to their early vaccines, especially my little girl, who never got rid of some of them, like licking her pawpads so much (whatever was really going on under the surface with that symptom). Both of her homeopathic vets suspected vaccinosis caused most of her ailments, and judging from a layperson's viewpoint, the last vaccine they ever got produced such a marked reaction in her for days afterwards that even w/o knowing all of this info yet, I was already starting to say that I didn't think I'd EVER do that again to either of them. They'd even used Benadryl, I think it was, beforehand, to try and stop the severity of these reactions this last time, and it wasn't until later that I knew all that was doing was 1.) suppressing symptoms and driving them deeper into the body, and 2.) doing nothing more than COVERING UP what the real problem was - the vaccinations themselves, AND the mercury that vaccines also have in them!

When I finally learned much more about vaccines, I was completely outraged! And still am. The same goes for human vaccines. If you'll notice, there's a push by the drug co.'s now to make vaccines for certain groups of people (they're targeting children and teenagers, as that's the next generation, so bigger, continuing bucks for them) MANDATORY, like for attending school! I think Texas just passed this bill for some college or something. If I were a teen there, I'd take home schooling before I'd let them dictate my choices to me. And they say our 2 countries are free??? It's all an abomination.

Yes, to the food as well. If vets think they'll really lose out on money due to lost vaccinations, they're wrong, because there will still be enough problems left from lousy food, the environment and everything else wrong with this world today to STILL keep them quite busy with health concerns. Some of the raw (organic) food companies have done their own studies on the cats they've kept for a few generations (NOT in cages, but roaming free on beautiful, but contained land, UNLIKE the major pet food manufacturers) and have found that it took 4 generations of cats to get rid of all the in-bred weaknesses, diseases and other problems, despite the best, most natural, holistic care. THAT'S how indemic it is now. So stopping vaccinations is only the beginning, but one of the most important (and easiest) ones. Homeopathic nosodes can be used instead in most cases, w/o harming our babies. Dr. Hamilton had a great story about these....long story short, THEY worked better in a shelter setting (the employess and volunteers ALL backed it) than vaccinations ever did....but politics won the day and they went back to vaccines....and the cats all got sick again. It's sickening.

Nissa's Mommy

Outraged is a mild word in my opinion. Little Majik was not only vaccinated at the shelter, but wormed! There are NO worms in Colorado in the winter. Even the vet thought that was a bit much. Yes we did take him for his free checkup, but we didn't allow anything else to be done to him. He had a touch of pinkeye but we had used Goldenseal on Autumn so we took him home and had it all fixed in a couple of days.

I think drug companies, vets, and pet food people are all just really interested in money, the bottom line. We are the only ones concerned with our pets health. That really sucks.

Piff I remember a vet telling me the problems with cats now, but she sure didn't say it was partly her fault.

Love

Yes, that's one concern of mine should I adopt again. If coming from a shelter, they'll already have had vaccinations, at LEAST once! My shelter friend says she ONLY does it once, as a rule, which is at least one step up...and to any skeptics, a huge percentage of the cats she ends up having to keep as her own, which is many of them, live to ripe, old ages, despite being subjected to steady increases of other cats in their 'colony'. Even Dr. Hamilton has said that if you really can't see NOT giving vaccines, at least only give them once, but very selectively as all of them are usually NOT truly needed, and NEVER, EVER use those combo. shots, as they're the worst offenders of causing illness. (Unfortunately, that's what was recommended to us, so we followed this stupid advise for a few of the boosters...I STILL feel like slapping all those docs for setting up our kids to fail!!)

As for worms, even Dr. Hamilton suggests considering ONE, lone dose of pyrantel pamoate at 3-4 wks. of age IF you're in the southeastern States (or somewhere warm and humid), but not routine dosing after that, unless really called for, and to use fecal flotation tests first, as some types of worms aren't even really a big problem. Worm-related depletion (or much worse) can occur, so the 3-8 wk. bracket is more problematic. He recommends an ana*lysis be done on a group specimen (for litters) at 4-6 wks. of age, but only deworm if anything shows up. But procedures like this cost more time and effort, and in a shelter setting, it's often felt that they can't afford either...whether that's really true or not, depending on the amount of funding the shelter has. If it helps you feel any better, though, I remember asking him about the dangers of this drug, and he felt it wasn't one of the worst ones, especially in lesser doses and certainly far less dangerous than vaccines can be.

Living here, our kids never needed deworming, as that wasn't even part of the protocol of the shelter they came from at the time, so we won on that front. Oh, and of course, both Nissa and Sabin were regular hunters during the warm months, but never got worms (that we know of) that caused any problems. And Goldenseal eyedrops DO work wonders for conjunctivitis. Since both of our kids had recurrent problems with their eyes, I'd used it (and other herbal preparations, as well as Similisan, a really great homeopathic eyedrop) MANY times, with great success, and usually only for a short time, just like you said. No drugs required. In fact, when we were told we HAD to use prescription eye preparations (before we had Dr. Hamilton), there were nothing but problems and even the eye docs ended up saying to take them off the drugs!

Money, or more precisely, greed IS the root of all evil in the world and our kids suffer greatly for it, as do we. And with the so-called "animal industry" only reaping more and more profit each year, we'd better all be very careful. The good news though is that along with that increase, comes an increase in the suppliers and vets who really DO have their best interests at heart. BUT, the public, the consumer, has to supply the demand for such things, or things will only get worse. (so I'm VERY glad you're one of those consumers! See? You're wise AGAIN! LOL!)

I even heard a news story on some new anti-depressant (I THINK it was an anti-depressant) for dogs, NOT safe for humans, cats or any other creature, the main ingredient of which had been denied by the FDA for human use in the past....so firstly, how safe could it possibly BE for the poor dogs, either????, and secondly, although the spokesperson was trying her hardest NOT to say it, it was abundantly clear that they were using this recently FDA-approved drug (in dogs) merely as a stepping-stone to approval of yet another one for human use....sort of like a mass animal testing campaign to satisfy the (also too stupid for words!) FDA. It will never end until we take back our power of choice, on behalf of all the ones we love. And I sincerely hope there aren't too many unaware people out there who accept, try, even love, the use of this new drug in their canine companions!!

Should they not be vaccinated at all? This is all new information to me, so I'm trying to learn about it before I get a kitten in July. I will probably be getting one from a shelter and they ALWAYS vaccinate them as well as spay/neuter but once I get the kitten home and start taking it for vet visits, should he not be allowed ANY vaccinations at all? Or is it just certain ones? He will be an indoor kitty, if that makes a difference. The only way I will let it out, is if it can learn to deal with a harness and leash. I had also planned to use the monthly? Frontline or Advantage treatments from the vet for fleas/ticks. After Alley... I'm super paranoid about them and want to treat the new one even if he's only indoors. So what's the general opinion on all of this?

Here in Michigan, it is the law to have your pets up to date on the rabies vac. Not sure if it is like that everywhere else. When I adopted Simba 2, the person at the shelter told me that if animal control ever knocks on my door and I can't produce an up to date rabies vaccine certificate they can just take him.

Paula,

Please read the entire website link I provided for just this purpose...then make up your own mind after you've gotten a good chunk of info about it all. The fact that you'll be keeping your future kittie indoors is just another reason to not have to vaccinate (fear-mongers aside). As for those flea and tick products, you already know my stance on those, that being "go the natural product route" instead (more timely research for you!), but you can also post questions on such topics via that website, if they don't ALREADY have a question about them on the site, which I suspect they probably do. If you're really interested in natural products for the job, let me know by PM and I'll look up a few for you later, but you can also Google for them, as there are quite a number....just took a peek myself: type in "flea and tick" in the search box there - and get set for more reading!

Steve,

I know it's law in most states now, unfortunately. We need concerned people to change those laws if they believe it's not in the best interests of their companions. I know Dr. Hamilton wrote stuff about this, too, but I can't remember now what exactly he said about it, other than it was WRONG! I'm not sure what the law/state says, though, about retrieving one's animal AFTER they've been seized....if you can then comply and get them back, or what. That's something everyone who is affected by such laws would need to check out. And still, at least it's only ONE vaccine, which is still better than ALL of them....though it's also one of the worst offenders. Myself, I'm dreading the time they might introduce the same kind of legislation up here, too, as they don't give a tinker's damn about animals, as a whole, in AB.

First I want to say, which I should have said before, that My homeopath is classical so she would have had a fit that I used goldenseal, but we hadn't had Majik a week and didn't KNOW him enough to get and use a remedy. She would be glad we didn't us antibiotics at least. I also tested it on me before I put it in his eyes, my homeopath would have a fit about that too. I wouldn't put ANYTHING in my babies eyes I didn't use on me first, to see how it felt. Goldenseal is actually soothing. BTW I use this, it works for me, but I'm not a medical person I'm not recomending it for anyone else unless they research it first.

Alleys Mama

My homeopath does recomend NO vaccinations, ever. Let me put one thing to that, you need to be in touch with a good homeopath if you do that. Then if problems arise, they can help. If you don't know a homeopath or rather not go that way, then the first shots SHOULD be okay, just be careful of the yearly ones. One vaccination really should be good for the rest of their lives. I get the first shots anyway, I hate to but I do.

Simba's Daddy

You are right, it's the law everywhere and they can take them from you, but why would animal control come to your house? I can't think of a reason if you are talking good care of your baby, as I'm quite sure you are. Also if for some reason they did, do you really think any animal control person in their right mind would take them away from a good home simply because they hadn't had the shot? Animal control people KNOW how bad it is in shelters and that an older animal has little chance of getting another home, little say a good one. They might insist on a shot, and check up to see you got one, but take them away from you? I guess I'd rather take the small chance of that happening than lose one to Injecton site Sarcoma or something else from a shot I insisted thay get.

I read a lot of 'self help' books and one quote is sticking in my mind. "When you do something from fear, stop, and go back and do it from love". So I guess don't get shots from fear they will get sick, or fear if you don't comply with the law you will lose them. Do what you feel is truly right from love of your babies.

One other thought, the rabies law is in effect to keep rabies from spreading. If the cat is an inside cat, or like mine only go out on a leash and are kept away from other cats, there is no danger of any spread and I would know if they got bit. There is no chance of the spread. I know, it's still the law.

Love

Lori,

Good answers, as always! Re: the Goldenseal - Dr. Hamilton is classical too, but never had a prob. with that. He often prescribed different herbal preparations for us to also try. Goldenseal shouldn't antidote a homeo. remedy. And I'm assuming you diluted the tincture drops in homemade saline solution first? Or did you use it as a tea? Eyebright (Euphrasia) is also another soothing one, as is Calendula and even St. John's Wort, though if there's infection, the Goldenseal is better anyway, for its properties of antiviral, antibacterial and antiinflammatory activity, as I'm sure you know about. And as a topical solution, it doesn't pose the same risk for long-term use as if it's taken internally. I'd even used, at times, a "Goldenseal Elixer" (as per Anitra Frazier's book, "The New Natural Cat"), succussed as a homeopathic, to help address Nissa's kidney insufficiency. (always ran these things by the doc first, but seldom heard "No.") And I always tried things first, too (even the supplements...although there's no accounting for what cats might or might not like!) before use...especially in the eyes!

But of COURSE one needs professional guidance (holistic or homeopathic vet, certified herbalist who's worked with your type of animal a lot, for example) before embarking on some, but not all, of the natural routes. I do know of people who've started with one thing, like a supplement where directions for use in cats and dogs are clearly stated, and THEN gone on to find an appropriate vet or other such health provider. AND some reading up on same, not only to provide info, but confidence that they DO WORK. If nothing else, get Anitra Frazier's book. While not a vet, she has had, as Dr. Hamilton said himself, very impressive empirical experience and data to back her methodologies and her cats/clients THRIVE! I haven't met one holistic vet yet who hasn't had great praise for her work with cats. It's a great introduction on many fronts to the ways and means of natural aids for cats (she didn't do dogs, unfortunately). And nowadays, there are many other books and websites dedicated to natural healthcare for ALL animals. We just need to avail ourselves of them. Hence, the link I've provided.

And yes, I'd suggest having at least a holistic doc, if not strictly homeopathic, when going the natural route w/o vaccinating, BUT I don't think it's absolutely necessary, either. Even if you're not old enough to remember, there was a time in the not too distant past when NO ONE ever vaccinated their animals! And if you think about it, and look into the facts stated by vets who practised back then, that's also when animals lived longer as a rule, and with fewer health complaints. Geez.....they even, heaven-forbid!, ate OUR food (although it, too, was healthier then) cuz there were no commercial foods for pets! Anyway, homeopathic nosodes can be used in place of pharmaceutical vaccines, but ONLY under the expert hands of a homeopathic vet. That's what I'd do next time, for certain!

As for the rabies, these laws have often been passed even in places where rabies in wild animals wasn't even a big concern in the first place. Much of it was based simply on fear-mongering and I suspect, some help from the drug companies. The modern-day media hasn't helped, either, as they seldom dig for real info anymore before running a story. If anyone thinks I'm just making this stuff up, then I'd say....you need to do much more reading yourself. I've been reading and listening and discerning for over a decade now, and the realities are more frightening than a horror flick. Once you know what's really gone on behind the scenes, you can't help but see all the blatant errors that are made on a daily basis.

Nissa's Mommy

Our homeopath is VERY classical, and really doesn't like using anything but the remedy they research for you. In the years we have been going (about 4) we have used something else maybe two times, for very specific problems. I made a goldenseal tea, from powdered goldenseal and cooled it for use in the eye.

Oddly enough our homeopath treats the whole family. We were going to a homeopathic vet who was helping Moustache so I started going to one. They recomemded that the whole family being treated as a unit was a good idea so now we all go to the same place. It's kind of funny, but we are all so connected, it works.

I agree and I should have said that any natural practioner is good. I have a homeopathic mind set I guess. Anitra Frazier's book is wonderful, no doubt. Today is just a tough day for me, I've been crying my eyes out all morning. Piff just when you think you are doing so good...

Love

Lori,

That's a great way to do things, when you can....everyone seeing the same homeopath. Just as they say with flower essences, too - treat the entire family and not just the animal, as we are usually energetically connected more highly with the ones we live with daily. There were a few times when Dr. Hamilton had me take one dose of the same remedy that he'd prescribed for Nissa, or we'd try one I'd been on for her later on. Sometimes it had some really good results that way.

And I forgot to also mention (a few posts ago) that cancer is also now being found from microchips in animals! I also talked to a friend who told me she'd also read some articles that spoke of studies on humans, where they implanted something under the skin .....same result in a high # of cases - cancer at the site. Here's a link to an article (from that same website) on this in cats.
Implanted Microchips Cause Cancer article
I know this isn't good news vis-a-vis proper identification concerns, but I think I'd stick to tattoos, given the risk. (although Nissa's repeatedly kept disappearing over time)

I'm sorry to hear you're not doing well today....uuuUUUp and DOOwwwwnn....that's grief, all right. Maybe it's this thread, getting you thinking too much about past stuff.

Ok, just a quick question.

Firstly here in North Wales there are no Holistic vets and to be honest as this place is so backward there probably never will be for the next 100 yrs!

However, our plans are to finally to quit this country this year and move to Portugal.

So in order to do this everyone (Emily, Lucy & Molly) will need a pet passport, fortunately they do have a choice of either tattoo or microchip, so obviously will go down the tattoo route.

The problem is that they will all have to have rabies jabs, I don't know much about this but can any one tell me anything about Purevax rabies vaccines, because without the jabs they will not be allowed into the country.

Ideally I wouldn't have them vaccinated against rabies as this is not something that we have to worry about in the UK but would Purevax be the lesser of the two evils? The manufacturer Merial states that this is a non-adjuvanted vaccine so is cancer free or so they claim. Has anyone heard of this vaccine or has anyone had any experience of this vaccine in the US?

E.M

Debbie,

Quickly did a bit of research before my morning appointment. Try this list of homeo. vets in the UK. While not strictly where you are, some will likely work over the phone (as ours did; he's in New Mexico while I'm in Canada; only met him in person once, when he and his wife stopped by our place on a trip here), or they might be able to direct you to someone closer to you.
UK Homeopathic Veterinarians
If you HAVE to do the shot, they should be able to help repair any possible damage from the vaccine, and naturally, the shot should be given far in advance of moving, so as not to add even more stresses if anyone gets sick, and also to allow you to treat them while you still have access to pract*itioners in the UK.

Also, you could consider ordering and giving a product called Transfer Factor a few wks. before and after any shots, as is suggested by one doc. Nissa LOVED her Transfer Factor, mixed in a tiny bit of water and given by dropper. See this link for the suggestion and the WHY of it (by Dr. Will Falconer):

question to Dr. Will Falconer

I didn't have time to try looking for homeo or alternative vets in Portugal, but that would be another logical bit of research to do as well. And do you know if Portugal would also require your babies to be quarantined for a few wks. before allowing them in the country as well? (HOPE not!)

Okay, I found something else that talks a bit more about non-adjuvanted rabies vaccines for cats. I would strongly suggest though that you (and everyone else!) read this entire webpage, as the discussions prior to the New Recommendations For Cats (and dogs) are every bit as important, as a whole and in context, to the recommendations near the end. There is also a short section, from one homeo. vet. on what protocol to follow, homeopathically, should you HAVE to do a rabies shot, so that if you absolutely can't find anyone locally who could help you monitor their health before and after, you could order the proscribed remedies yourself (tho you usually have to get nosodes from a homeo. vet, or with a homeo. vet's prescription) and find out how to administer them properly.

Vaccines Info.

Thanks for that F.K.

I still need to do some research, it used to be that if you weren't considering returning back to the UK then the vaccines weren't required but it seems that the rules have changed. Before you just needed a health certificate saying they had been wormed, flea free and microchipped or tattooed. It seems now that this has been replaced by the pet passport.

The idea for the passport is that once they have a valid passport they can then move freely between EU member states and also return back to the UK without the need for quarantine.

From what I have just looked at it seems that there are only 4 recommended brands of rabies vaccines and Purevax wasn't one of them, so this is not good news. I will now make some further research into these four brands to find out whether they are 'live' or not.

Things are not looking good, the more you read the more it makes you think what the hell am I going to do to my girls.

Will probably resort to animal smuggling!!

Thanks once again, F.K, for all your help and advice, it is invaluable.

Now going to look for a big suitcase!!!!!!

This is a GREAT TOPIC, and one that I have been giving a lot of thought to. I have NEVER felt "comfortable" with vaccinations for our furkids.

Our kids "are due" for their vaccinations coming up in May, but I really need to do a LOT of research before I allow them.

Out here it is the law that ALL animals be vaccinated for Rabies - even indoor furcats, like ours .....

Thanks for all of the links!

Peace & Love,
Denise

I came across this article that I wanted to share.

Information on Feline Vaccination Dangers and Concerns
By Michelle T. Bernard, Author of Raising Cats Naturally

http://www.blakkatz.com/vaccination.html

There are several links at the end.

Peace & Love,
Denise

Wow, Denise! That's one heckuva great article! I'm so glad you found it. (I've bookmarked it now) In fact, I think you should list it as a separate thread here, for easy access to others.

The only thing I don't like, of course, is that this person is a breeder. However, the fact that she's doing things very wisely and therefore was able to write this article because of her many years of experience with the non-vaccinating, homeopathic method is a very good thing. If all breeders followed her protocols, many cats in the world would be in a much better state of health. On the other hand, vet. homeopaths don't feel the need to breed animals to 'prove' that this system of health works....they already know it to be so, not only because of the reasoned thinking, but from much experience, often in both allopathic and homeopathic fields. (hence, their rejection of the allopathic system they were first trained in!)

Her discussion on almost all of this echoes what Dr. Hamilton says in his book, as well as what he and I discussed through the years. She's done a remarkable job of encapsulating all I've read, heard and also experienced firsthand. It really brings home the truth of the entire picture with great clarity and ease of understanding in how it all interconnects...even down to the use of other suppressive drugs. I especially liked the section on nosodes - VERY discerning....and correct, actually. I did know that they aren't w/o their own set of risks - hence their unavailability (at least in Canada and the US) to the general public w/o a homeopath's prescription.

What she says is true - const*itutional remedies are MUCH preferred, overall (as are single remedies VS combo's). I know I even suggested part of this non-preferred method to Debbie, as a possible means to address her situation with the rabies shots, but always, my preference is really that people find a vet. homeopath to work with....as they're the experts in this. There's a good reason it takes years of further training, on top of basic medical training, to become a practised vet. homeopath! Unfortunately, I know from experience that the majority of people are too willing to stay unenlightened and unlearned, out of fear of unknown territory, and so never do the work of seeking a homeo. vet out, and staying on course by changing ALL of the components of a healthier environment for their babies. Open minds are a rarity in this world.

So I must thank you SO much for supporting this whole idea, and my efforts here, via your own research, growing excitement, open mind and participation in this thread, and your own thread on foods! And I would say that if someone knew virtually nothing about the twisted reasoning for vaccinating versus the reasoned approach of homeopathy , this one article would be one of the best, first ones for them to read!

Now, if only this bright woman would stop breeding as well and instead just pass on her empirical evidence to the world. (although, truth be told, I'd LOVE to get any future cats from HER...except that would just be supporting breeding....a real catch-22)